Converting MR and RP's to SP's

daves · 07-09-2016, 04:03 PM

What is the easiest or best way to convert MRs and possibly RPs to SPs?

james17 · 07-09-2016, 05:36 PM

Well, first of, to be a good SP a pitcher needs at least 3 pitches. And though i have no data, if he has 2 good ones and a clunker for 3rd he's best off in the pen. Stamina is of course equally important. I have yet to see a SP in my league with a stamina less than 50.

As for actually making the change, go to the player's profile, click on 'available actions', then 'set position' and choose from the drop down menu.

If you do have any MR's that you do change into SP's, I'd like to see their profiles.

BrandonS · 07-09-2016, 06:52 PM

I disagree with the statement that if their 3rd pitch sucks, they belong in the pen. I have had a number of SPs with 2 ELITE pitches, and 1 awful, awful pitch, that do amazing. So long as their stamina isnt in the red. If they have yellow stamina, then they should be good. I usually limit their pitch counts though to like 80-85 pitches.

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Originally Posted by james17

Well, first of, to be a good SP a pitcher needs at least 3 pitches. And though i have no data, if he has 2 good ones and a clunker for 3rd he's best off in the pen. Stamina is of course equally important. I have yet to see a SP in my league with a stamina less than 50.

As for actually making the change, go to the player's profile, click on 'available actions', then 'set position' and choose from the drop down menu.

If you do have any MR's that you do change into SP's, I'd like to see their profiles.

Birdland24 · 07-09-2016, 07:10 PM

The question I have is there any way to build their arm strength/stamina?
Maybe if a guy is in the minors have him as a SP and have him on pitch count and raise it each month depending on how he performs?

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dmacgreg37 · 07-09-2016, 07:10 PM

I find the third pitch to be more important than stamina in my experience. I'm fine with low stamina if they have good ratings and (at least) 3 good pitches.

Kent814 · 07-10-2016, 12:04 AM

Theres no building them in this game, theyre just ready to go(as long as they didnt pitch recently). I would have to believe that it would be difficult to code something like that into the game.

ttaka808 · 07-10-2016, 05:47 AM

The lowest stamina I've ever seen a good starting pitcher have is 6 (1-20) or 35 (20-80). They also have to have at least 3 pitches, two being really good and the other being at least somewhat decent.

NoOne · 07-10-2016, 12:19 PM

if the third pitch is truely awful - like 1-30 of 250 in editor type wretched. they will be incredibly inconsistent as a starter. you may have soem great outings but, for just one example, their resulting era and estimated era in the editor will have a greater difference than if he had a third pitch, all other things remaining the same. it is a real factor in the game.

that being said, that pitcher may be better then some SP in your league... but they are still better utilized as a RP, if possible.

if you change a player's role, i think it takes a season or two for them to like it. so, initially they may not be happy with their role on the team.

i can say for younger pitchers in my experience, even if they would be top-quartile SP they will actually expect to be a reliever if you keep them in that role for a season or 2. even if i've used them as a SP for a season or two to start their career.

assumptions: (not differentiating CL/RP preference - lumped as all releivers)

quicker morale transition at younger age... if they've had a role for a long period of time it probably takes longer to be happy with their new role.

regardless, you keep them in the same role and they will eventually prefer it - not sure if there are exceptions or not.

guesses:

i think 2-pitch guys with stuff > max are better then most 3-pitch pitchers as relievers -- most three-pitch guys don't reach 128/100 stuff, e.g.

the 2-pitch high stuff/high movement and at least close to 50% of control scale or better are the best 7-8-9 guys. these are the guys i consistently see with low whips and and stats on a consistent basis.

the 3-pitch guys (expected SP, and good quality) tend to have higher control but less stuff/movement on average compared to a quality 2-pitch RP. that's great when you see the lineup 2.5-3 times or more, but less helpful for no repeat batters. so, they underperform relative to ratings and the 2-pitch guys exceed expectations (from editor) on a consistent basis when they are in a relief role. the SP has a different skillset that doesn't quite fit the role... and vice versa for putting a 2-pitch guy as a starter.

in a 4.00-4.10 ERA league, do you want that 2-pitch guy pitching 60-80 innings with elite stats or a starter that's anywhere from below average to slighty above average? you'll add more value when skillsets match roles... if you have a rotation that can't hit the side of a barn with a fastball and then it becomes more viable.

07-09-2016, 04:03 PM	#1
daves Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 3,840	Converting MR and RP's to SP's What is the easiest or best way to convert MRs and possibly RPs to SPs? __________________

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NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 1/2 (4)	if the third pitch is truely awful - like 1-30 of 250 in editor type wretched. they will be incredibly inconsistent as a starter. you may have soem great outings but, for just one example, their resulting era and estimated era in the editor will have a greater difference than if he had a third pitch, all other things remaining the same. it is a real factor in the game. that being said, that pitcher may be better then some SP in your league... but they are still better utilized as a RP, if possible. if you change a player's role, i think it takes a season or two for them to like it. so, initially they may not be happy with their role on the team. i can say for younger pitchers in my experience, even if they would be top-quartile SP they will actually expect to be a reliever if you keep them in that role for a season or 2. even if i've used them as a SP for a season or two to start their career. assumptions: (not differentiating CL/RP preference - lumped as all releivers) quicker morale transition at younger age... if they've had a role for a long period of time it probably takes longer to be happy with their new role. regardless, you keep them in the same role and they will eventually prefer it - not sure if there are exceptions or not. guesses: i think 2-pitch guys with stuff > max are better then most 3-pitch pitchers as relievers -- most three-pitch guys don't reach 128/100 stuff, e.g. the 2-pitch high stuff/high movement and at least close to 50% of control scale or better are the best 7-8-9 guys. these are the guys i consistently see with low whips and and stats on a consistent basis. the 3-pitch guys (expected SP, and good quality) tend to have higher control but less stuff/movement on average compared to a quality 2-pitch RP. that's great when you see the lineup 2.5-3 times or more, but less helpful for no repeat batters. so, they underperform relative to ratings and the 2-pitch guys exceed expectations (from editor) on a consistent basis when they are in a relief role. the SP has a different skillset that doesn't quite fit the role... and vice versa for putting a 2-pitch guy as a starter. in a 4.00-4.10 ERA league, do you want that 2-pitch guy pitching 60-80 innings with elite stats or a starter that's anywhere from below average to slighty above average? you'll add more value when skillsets match roles... if you have a rotation that can't hit the side of a barn with a fastball and then it becomes more viable. Last edited by NoOne; 07-10-2016 at 12:24 PM.

07-09-2016, 05:36 PM	#2
james17 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,305	Well, first of, to be a good SP a pitcher needs at least 3 pitches. And though i have no data, if he has 2 good ones and a clunker for 3rd he's best off in the pen. Stamina is of course equally important. I have yet to see a SP in my league with a stamina less than 50. As for actually making the change, go to the player's profile, click on 'available actions', then 'set position' and choose from the drop down menu. If you do have any MR's that you do change into SP's, I'd like to see their profiles.

07-09-2016, 07:10 PM	#4
Birdland24 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 283	The question I have is there any way to build their arm strength/stamina? Maybe if a guy is in the minors have him as a SP and have him on pitch count and raise it each month depending on how he performs? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

07-09-2016, 07:10 PM	#5
dmacgreg37 Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 492	I find the third pitch to be more important than stamina in my experience. I'm fine with low stamina if they have good ratings and (at least) 3 good pitches.

07-10-2016, 12:04 AM	#6
Kent814 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: San Diego Posts: 650	Theres no building them in this game, theyre just ready to go(as long as they didnt pitch recently). I would have to believe that it would be difficult to code something like that into the game.

07-10-2016, 05:47 AM	#7
ttaka808 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 278	The lowest stamina I've ever seen a good starting pitcher have is 6 (1-20) or 35 (20-80). They also have to have at least 3 pitches, two being really good and the other being at least somewhat decent.