Toughest team to rebuild in OOTP 17?

captaincoop17 · 06-27-2016, 08:34 PM

Which team in the MLB/OOTP 17 is in the worst spot currently and represents the toughest rebuilding challenge?

I've narrowed it down to these few:

Tampa Bay Rays
Detroit Tigers
Minnesota Twins
Oakland Athletics
Los Angeles Angels
Atlanta Braves
Philadelphia Phillies
Cincinnati Reds
Milwaukee Brewers
San Diego Padres
Colorado Rockies

Vote in the poll or comment the team you think is the toughest to play with in OOTP 17. Also, if you think a team not listed here, and should be, please share!

I might use this poll to start a dynasty thread, still not sure yet.

TuckerDuckson · 06-27-2016, 08:46 PM

Personally I don't think the Tigers are that "hard" of a rebuild. I know they don't have that many high end prospects, but Fulmer, Hill, Moya, Gerber, and Burrows make a decent core of young prospects.

They also have a decent, young, and controllable Thirdbaseman in Castellanos, not to mention trade chips in Kinsler, Wilson, Lowe, and Justin Uption in 2018. I've personally have ran a Tigers rebuild and it usually goes swimmingly in around 3 years time, just using the method of asset collecting and distributing you can hover around .500 for the season.

The only real albatrosses are Maybin (who's making 8 mil and is rated like the crap), Sanchez, and Pelfrey.

captaincoop17 · 06-27-2016, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TuckerDuckson

Personally I don't think the Tigers are that "hard" of a rebuild. I know they don't have that many high end prospects, but Fulmer, Hill, Moya, Gerber, and Burrows make a decent core of young prospects.

They also have a decent, young, and controllable Thirdbaseman in Castellanos, not to mention trade chips in Kinsler, Wilson, Lowe, and Justin Uption in 2018. I've personally have ran a Tigers rebuild and it usually goes swimmingly in around 3 years time, just using the method of asset collecting and distributing you can hover around .500 for the season.

The only real albatrosses are Maybin (who's making 8 mil and is rated like the crap), Sanchez, and Pelfrey.

I see what you're saying, it's a good team on paper and usually in OOTP. Problem is, they have really underperformed in real life and are starting to look more and more like the Phillies before they started rebuilding.

The problem I see with them is that they have a lot of big contracts that could become bad pretty quickly depending on when the players start declining. Most of the team is 30+ years old and that just doesn't bode very well in my opinion.

The young guys have looked good in real life though, especially Fulmer.

ThePretender · 06-27-2016, 09:16 PM

Padres/Reds/Angels would be my bets. Angels are hard to rebuild cause it's Trout and nothing, but if you move him you're never getting enough, and if you don't...you waste his prime.

Padres have little talent to flip, and Reds missed their chance to sell off key assets.

frangipard · 06-27-2016, 09:57 PM

I'd go with Padres, not only are they a bad team with a mediocre or worse farm system but they are in a division with the Dodgers, who have plenty of young talent and infinite money.

Actually, now I say that, the Reds or Brewers might be even tougher, because the Cubs are going to average 90 wins a year for the next decade.

Padreman · 06-27-2016, 10:02 PM

Padres are an AAAA team

Bobble · 06-28-2016, 08:32 AM

I tried to throw some numbers at it here: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...am-ootp17.html. Mariners, Padres, Orioles floated to the top of my list. Tigers and Reds next.

NovaNation19 · 06-28-2016, 09:51 AM

From a divisional/competition standpoint, I think the Padres and Reds are toughest because the Dodgers actually grow money on trees and the Cubs have a playoff-caliber core of players under team control for a while.

But from a roster standpoint, I'd say that the Angels are the toughest, for the reasons already mentioned. While having a large payroll is good, there's only so many free agents in a given offseason and there's nothing in the farm system for them. Plus you've got the albatross of Pujols' contract to be stuck with as well.

Then again, in my Braves dynasty the Angels somehow won the World Series in 2016 because as John Sterling likes to say, "you can't predict baseball".

nolimitdad · 06-28-2016, 05:59 PM

Curious why the Marlins are not on this list? When I look at them they seem like tough challenge. I wanted a challenge and I chose them, but now I'm reconsidering the Padres from what everyone is saying.

DustinthePOWERHOUSE · 06-28-2016, 07:30 PM

Padres definitely, but the Angels deserve a lot of credit here too...best player in the game and they waste him, impressive.

RchW · 06-28-2016, 07:43 PM

A team not included in the poll.

Reggie · 06-28-2016, 10:55 PM

I don't think it's the Phillies.. Left side of the infield is set. Couple of young pitchers that are decent. Herrera in center and Sweeney at 2nd is "good enough" to let me focus on 1B and corner OF positions. 2 years to be a contender.

boggs26 · 06-30-2016, 08:19 AM

I thought the Braves would be a challenge, but with a handful of trades (and the train wreck that is the NL East) they might make the playoffs in 2016. This despite the fact that all of my trades were targeting the future.

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TheMaus2 · 06-30-2016, 09:46 AM

Padres by far are a mediocre team stuck in a division which has:
A 300 million payroll in it
A Team that seems to win the title every other year
A Crazy Front Office who thinks spending big bucks (which they think is the essence of money ball) will work
And the always plagued-by-something Colorado Rockies.

rlsimpson2 · 06-30-2016, 11:36 AM

I'm probably biased because I watch this team stink on a daily basis, but turning the Reds around is a pretty tall task. Votto's terrible contract has completely handcuffed the team and Bailey is way overpaid too. They held on to Phillips and Bruce for too long and now their value is not very good. The farm system only has a few promising prospects. And they play in the same division as the Cubs, Cardinals, and Pirates. Not a lot of hope in Reds' country right now.

smiller · 06-30-2016, 12:02 PM

I'm GM of the Reds, and somehow I managed to get rid of Votto, Bailey, Phillips and Bruce (Milwaukee took Votto, to my amazement). I finished with the worst record in the majors in 2016 and 2017, but at the All-Star break in 2018 the team is at .500 and in wild card contention. It takes patience, but it can be done.

rlsimpson2 · 06-30-2016, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smiller

I'm GM of the Reds, and somehow I managed to get rid of Votto, Bailey, Phillips and Bruce (Milwaukee took Votto, to my amazement). I finished with the worst record in the majors in 2016 and 2017, but at the All-Star break in 2018 the team is at .500 and in wild card contention. It takes patience, but it can be done.

Yes, I actually did manage to get rid of those guys too and after a few rough seasons was able to build a pretty competitive team. I doubt many of the trades I made could actually happen in real life though.

smiller · 06-30-2016, 01:59 PM

I doubt they could either, but that's the whole point of OOTP--seeing what you could do if only given the chance.

NoOne · 06-30-2016, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by captaincoop17

I see what you're saying, it's a good team on paper and usually in OOTP. Problem is, they have really underperformed in real life and are starting to look more and more like the Phillies before they started rebuilding.

The problem I see with them is that they have a lot of big contracts that could become bad pretty quickly depending on when the players start declining. Most of the team is 30+ years old and that just doesn't bode very well in my opinion.

The young guys have looked good in real life though, especially Fulmer.

they aren't underperforming.. they are just a ~.500 team give or take a bit... i am a detroit fan so prefer to think they are a slightly over .500 team, but that's as far as my fanaticism goes.

good offense, no starting pitching... few prospects, but you can build up a hefty budget and should win in near perpetuity in this game with a budget that size or larger. not much skill needed to improve detroit.

OP question:

whichever has the smallest market size and then worst talent for veritable ties... as in a 2 market is no different than a 3, e.g. you will be extremely limited in how you can build the club, therefore probably a longer rebuild and less likely to come to fruition, too.

boggs26 · 07-02-2016, 09:06 AM

So after reading here, I decided to give SD a try and it definitely seems harder than Atlanta.

That said, I'm halfway into the 2016 and I'm not doing as badly as I expected after trading off anything of value.

My starting rotation is:
Michael Feliz
Colin Rea
Robert Stephenson
Tayron Guerrero
Jameson Taillon

And my lineup is:

C - Christian Bethancourt
1b - Wil Myers
2b - Cory Spangenberg
3b - Tyler White
SS - Tim Anderson
RF - George Springer
CF - Manny Margot
LF - Carlos Asuaje

The weird part is that I'm not in last place. We're currently 34-43 and in 4th place ahead of AZ. There are 7 teams in MLB with worse records right now and 2 more tired with me. I had figured the team might lose 120 games, that is very unlikely. I'm surprised to say the least. Oh and payroll is down to ~20mil.

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Tampa Bay Rays	3	4.17%
Detroit Tigers	4	5.56%
Minnesota Twins	4	5.56%
Oakland Athletics	8	11.11%
Los Angeles Angels	8	11.11%
Atlanta Braves	7	9.72%
Philadelphia Phillies	3	4.17%
Cincinnati Reds	9	12.50%
Milwaukee Brewers	2	2.78%
San Diego Padres	31	43.06%
Colorado Rockies	4	5.56%
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06-27-2016, 08:34 PM	#1
captaincoop17 All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 869	Toughest team to rebuild in OOTP 17? Which team in the MLB/OOTP 17 is in the worst spot currently and represents the toughest rebuilding challenge? I've narrowed it down to these few: Tampa Bay Rays Detroit Tigers Minnesota Twins Oakland Athletics Los Angeles Angels Atlanta Braves Philadelphia Phillies Cincinnati Reds Milwaukee Brewers San Diego Padres Colorado Rockies Vote in the poll or comment the team you think is the toughest to play with in OOTP 17. Also, if you think a team not listed here, and should be, please share! I might use this poll to start a dynasty thread, still not sure yet.

06-27-2016, 08:46 PM	#2
TuckerDuckson Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 447	Personally I don't think the Tigers are that "hard" of a rebuild. I know they don't have that many high end prospects, but Fulmer, Hill, Moya, Gerber, and Burrows make a decent core of young prospects. They also have a decent, young, and controllable Thirdbaseman in Castellanos, not to mention trade chips in Kinsler, Wilson, Lowe, and Justin Uption in 2018. I've personally have ran a Tigers rebuild and it usually goes swimmingly in around 3 years time, just using the method of asset collecting and distributing you can hover around .500 for the season. The only real albatrosses are Maybin (who's making 8 mil and is rated like the crap), Sanchez, and Pelfrey. __________________ Plays legit baseball now. My OOTP ratings are low. 2022 update: I'm two stars!

06-27-2016, 10:02 PM	#6
Padreman Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2013 Location: Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico (formally San Diego, CA.) Posts: 4,138	Padres are an AAAA team __________________ Chargers= Despicable Traitors

06-28-2016, 08:32 AM	#7
Bobble Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: High and outside Posts: 4,033	I tried to throw some numbers at it here: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...am-ootp17.html. Mariners, Padres, Orioles floated to the top of my list. Tigers and Reds next. __________________

06-27-2016, 09:16 PM	#4
ThePretender All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,331	Padres/Reds/Angels would be my bets. Angels are hard to rebuild cause it's Trout and nothing, but if you move him you're never getting enough, and if you don't...you waste his prime. Padres have little talent to flip, and Reds missed their chance to sell off key assets.

06-27-2016, 09:57 PM	#5
frangipard OOTP Roster Team Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 762	I'd go with Padres, not only are they a bad team with a mediocre or worse farm system but they are in a division with the Dodgers, who have plenty of young talent and infinite money. Actually, now I say that, the Reds or Brewers might be even tougher, because the Cubs are going to average 90 wins a year for the next decade.

06-28-2016, 09:51 AM	#8
NovaNation19 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 151	From a divisional/competition standpoint, I think the Padres and Reds are toughest because the Dodgers actually grow money on trees and the Cubs have a playoff-caliber core of players under team control for a while. But from a roster standpoint, I'd say that the Angels are the toughest, for the reasons already mentioned. While having a large payroll is good, there's only so many free agents in a given offseason and there's nothing in the farm system for them. Plus you've got the albatross of Pujols' contract to be stuck with as well. Then again, in my Braves dynasty the Angels somehow won the World Series in 2016 because as John Sterling likes to say, "you can't predict baseball".

06-28-2016, 05:59 PM	#9
nolimitdad Bat Boy Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 13	Curious why the Marlins are not on this list? When I look at them they seem like tough challenge. I wanted a challenge and I chose them, but now I'm reconsidering the Padres from what everyone is saying.

06-28-2016, 07:30 PM	#10
DustinthePOWERHOUSE All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Boston Posts: 871	Padres definitely, but the Angels deserve a lot of credit here too...best player in the game and they waste him, impressive. __________________ Shootin' at the walls of heartache, BANG BANG, I am THE WARRIOR! "It's hard to be humble when you're as great as I am"- Ali Wladimir Klitschko will DESTROY you.

06-28-2016, 07:43 PM	#11
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	A team not included in the poll. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

06-28-2016, 10:55 PM	#12
Reggie Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 442	I don't think it's the Phillies.. Left side of the infield is set. Couple of young pitchers that are decent. Herrera in center and Sweeney at 2nd is "good enough" to let me focus on 1B and corner OF positions. 2 years to be a contender.

06-30-2016, 08:19 AM	#13
boggs26 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 45	I thought the Braves would be a challenge, but with a handful of trades (and the train wreck that is the NL East) they might make the playoffs in 2016. This despite the fact that all of my trades were targeting the future. Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk

06-30-2016, 09:46 AM	#14
TheMaus2 All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: The OOTP Forums. Always. Posts: 1,952	Padres by far are a mediocre team stuck in a division which has: A 300 million payroll in it A Team that seems to win the title every other year A Crazy Front Office who thinks spending big bucks (which they think is the essence of money ball) will work And the always plagued-by-something Colorado Rockies. __________________ I write a monthly newsletter on the Food Baseball Association. I also listen to music no one's ever heard of in hopes of looking cool and alternative.

06-30-2016, 11:36 AM	#15
rlsimpson2 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 53	I'm probably biased because I watch this team stink on a daily basis, but turning the Reds around is a pretty tall task. Votto's terrible contract has completely handcuffed the team and Bailey is way overpaid too. They held on to Phillips and Bruce for too long and now their value is not very good. The farm system only has a few promising prospects. And they play in the same division as the Cubs, Cardinals, and Pirates. Not a lot of hope in Reds' country right now.

06-30-2016, 12:02 PM	#16
smiller Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Pittsboro NC Posts: 432	I'm GM of the Reds, and somehow I managed to get rid of Votto, Bailey, Phillips and Bruce (Milwaukee took Votto, to my amazement). I finished with the worst record in the majors in 2016 and 2017, but at the All-Star break in 2018 the team is at .500 and in wild card contention. It takes patience, but it can be done.

06-30-2016, 01:59 PM	#18
smiller Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Pittsboro NC Posts: 432	I doubt they could either, but that's the whole point of OOTP--seeing what you could do if only given the chance.

07-02-2016, 09:06 AM	#20
boggs26 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 45	So after reading here, I decided to give SD a try and it definitely seems harder than Atlanta. That said, I'm halfway into the 2016 and I'm not doing as badly as I expected after trading off anything of value. My starting rotation is: Michael Feliz Colin Rea Robert Stephenson Tayron Guerrero Jameson Taillon And my lineup is: C - Christian Bethancourt 1b - Wil Myers 2b - Cory Spangenberg 3b - Tyler White SS - Tim Anderson RF - George Springer CF - Manny Margot LF - Carlos Asuaje The weird part is that I'm not in last place. We're currently 34-43 and in 4th place ahead of AZ. There are 7 teams in MLB with worse records right now and 2 more tired with me. I had figured the team might lose 120 games, that is very unlikely. I'm surprised to say the least. Oh and payroll is down to ~20mil. Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk