League-wide ratings changes

Dukie98 · 05-30-2016, 10:33 AM

I am playing 1902 with Cleveland. As I noted in another thread (https://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boa...ppeared-2.html), my starting 2B (Lajoie), SS and CF all lost their ratings for their respective positions midway through the season, although their zone rating stats still remain solid. After doing a little more digging, I noticed that the OSA Scouting ratings (20-80 scale) for every player on my team changed specifically on July 28 -- power ratings increased by 20-35 points for each player (even the slap hitters). Nearly all pitchers, however, saw their movement rating drop sharply (by 20-40 points), and about 10-20 points for control.

(To complicate my issues further, the link to post screenshots doesn't appear to be working on my computer, even though I did it a few weeks ago).

I've also noticed these tendencies on the vast majority of players on other teams as well- for instance, there is not a single player leaguewide with a power rating below 40. (As a sidenote, no one has a bunt-for-hit rating above 25 - not sure how widespread that was before the other ratings changes). Also, the vanishing defensive ratings have also afflicted several other high profile players in the league-- for instance, Honus Wagner and George Davis no longer have ratings at SS.

Has anyone seen anything like this before? I will try to upload the league data. Thanks.

Matt Arnold · 05-30-2016, 12:08 PM

Some of this may depend if you are running with relative ratings on. We periodically calculate league averages, so if the averages have changed, then you may see players' values change as well (ie. if the league average HR used to be 100 on a 1-200 scale, and after recalculating it's now at 80, then everyone's relative HR ratings would rise).

That would be unrelated to the fielding/position issues you mention, as those ratings are not adjusted with the relative ratings, but I would expect that would be the most likely cause of the other ratings shifting drastically mid-season.

Dukie98 · 05-30-2016, 11:19 PM

Thanks- I presume you mean the option "all player ratings are displayed relative to MLB," which is checked -- since I'm in 1902, MLB is the only option. The two ratings below it are unchecked.

I have uploaded the league file as "1902Cleveland" -- if you could see if that is what caused the ratings change (and if it's anything for me to be concerned about), as well as whether there is anything that can be done with regard to the vanishing position rating, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks again.

Matt Arnold · 05-31-2016, 10:58 AM

With the relative ratings, what is happening there is that your league average power rating is something like 15 on the 1-250 scale. Since you are using relative ratings, any player with a rating of 15 will show a "50" in their profile page. If we recalculate the average and it changed to, say, 13 (which could be as simple of a change from 14.5 dropping to 13.5), then yeah, everyone would likely see their values rise a lot. It's a limitation of the relative ratings when the values are such extremes.

The defensive ratings missing are as mentioned before - players' error ratings shifting below our minimum cutoff thresholds. As mentioned, they can still play the positions, but they will certainly make a lot of errors. We'll have some discussions whether we can ease those restrictions, but that could also affect how the AI handles and plays players, and we want to be careful that they're not playing guys at positions where they really shouldn't.

Dukie98 · 06-02-2016, 12:28 AM

Did the defensive positional ratings disappear because of the use of the relative ratings (if it's even possible to tell)? Or is it a separate and independent issue? If the latter -- is there any way around this issue? It seems strange that the game engine has decided that a plus defender in his prime such as Lajoie effectively cannot be played at any position.

When new players come into the league in future years, if the relative ratings remains checked, will their ratings automatically be subject to the adjustment, or would it be another midseason change?

I'm trying to figure out if it's better to simply ride this out or to go back to the pre-adjustment restore point. Thanks.

RchW · 06-02-2016, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

With the relative ratings, what is happening there is that your league average power rating is something like 15 on the 1-250 scale. Since you are using relative ratings, any player with a rating of 15 will show a "50" in their profile page. If we recalculate the average and it changed to, say, 13 (which could be as simple of a change from 14.5 dropping to 13.5), then yeah, everyone would likely see their values rise a lot. It's a limitation of the relative ratings when the values are such extremes.

The defensive ratings missing are as mentioned before - players' error ratings shifting below our minimum cutoff thresholds. As mentioned, they can still play the positions, but they will certainly make a lot of errors. We'll have some discussions whether we can ease those restrictions, but that could also affect how the AI handles and plays players, and we want to be careful that they're not playing guys at positions where they really shouldn't.

I'm glad that you said the above in bold.

Matt Arnold · 06-02-2016, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Dukie98

Did the defensive positional ratings disappear because of the use of the relative ratings (if it's even possible to tell)? Or is it a separate and independent issue? If the latter -- is there any way around this issue? It seems strange that the game engine has decided that a plus defender in his prime such as Lajoie effectively cannot be played at any position.

When new players come into the league in future years, if the relative ratings remains checked, will their ratings automatically be subject to the adjustment, or would it be another midseason change?

I'm trying to figure out if it's better to simply ride this out or to go back to the pre-adjustment restore point. Thanks.

No, the defense/positioning stuff is not affected by relative ratings.

The players ratings fluctuating wildly can happen with anyone and everyone in your league, because power is basically non-existent across the board. I mean, when your league leader has like 10 HR, it essentially doesn't matter if a player is rated "30" for power or "50", since at most it would be a 1 or 2 HR swing. If you don't want the ratings fluctuating, you can always turn off relative ratings, although then you will essentially see everyone's power in the 20-30 range on the 20-80 scale. It's up to you to figure out which makes the most sense.

And i would suggest that going back to the older restore probably won't change anything. In your league, I would expect shifts like you saw to happen relatively often (as I said, due to the extreme nature of the average values).

discodude5 · 06-22-2016, 12:46 AM

I was getting worried about my league. Scouting off, all of a sudden there seemed to be massive drops in some ratings.It seemed like a bug.
I don't remember doing it but in settings (all player ratings displayed relative to.....) was checked and had it relative to my major league. It might have checked by itself when I started with '17, since I've seen things like that happen before.

Screenshot posted shows the changes getting back to where they were for one of my major league players.
Everything seems good now, I'm happy there was a thread about this so I was able to fix my game.

05-30-2016, 10:33 AM	#1
Dukie98 All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 902	League-wide ratings changes I am playing 1902 with Cleveland. As I noted in another thread (https://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boa...ppeared-2.html), my starting 2B (Lajoie), SS and CF all lost their ratings for their respective positions midway through the season, although their zone rating stats still remain solid. After doing a little more digging, I noticed that the OSA Scouting ratings (20-80 scale) for every player on my team changed specifically on July 28 -- power ratings increased by 20-35 points for each player (even the slap hitters). Nearly all pitchers, however, saw their movement rating drop sharply (by 20-40 points), and about 10-20 points for control. (To complicate my issues further, the link to post screenshots doesn't appear to be working on my computer, even though I did it a few weeks ago). I've also noticed these tendencies on the vast majority of players on other teams as well- for instance, there is not a single player leaguewide with a power rating below 40. (As a sidenote, no one has a bunt-for-hit rating above 25 - not sure how widespread that was before the other ratings changes). Also, the vanishing defensive ratings have also afflicted several other high profile players in the league-- for instance, Honus Wagner and George Davis no longer have ratings at SS. Has anyone seen anything like this before? I will try to upload the league data. Thanks.

06-22-2016, 12:46 AM	#8
discodude5 Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Saskatchewan Posts: 371	I was getting worried about my league. Scouting off, all of a sudden there seemed to be massive drops in some ratings.It seemed like a bug. I don't remember doing it but in settings (all player ratings displayed relative to.....) was checked and had it relative to my major league. It might have checked by itself when I started with '17, since I've seen things like that happen before. Screenshot posted shows the changes getting back to where they were for one of my major league players. Everything seems good now, I'm happy there was a thread about this so I was able to fix my game. Attached Images

05-30-2016, 12:08 PM	#2
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 16,215	Some of this may depend if you are running with relative ratings on. We periodically calculate league averages, so if the averages have changed, then you may see players' values change as well (ie. if the league average HR used to be 100 on a 1-200 scale, and after recalculating it's now at 80, then everyone's relative HR ratings would rise). That would be unrelated to the fielding/position issues you mention, as those ratings are not adjusted with the relative ratings, but I would expect that would be the most likely cause of the other ratings shifting drastically mid-season.

05-30-2016, 11:19 PM	#3
Dukie98 All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 902	Thanks- I presume you mean the option "all player ratings are displayed relative to MLB," which is checked -- since I'm in 1902, MLB is the only option. The two ratings below it are unchecked. I have uploaded the league file as "1902Cleveland" -- if you could see if that is what caused the ratings change (and if it's anything for me to be concerned about), as well as whether there is anything that can be done with regard to the vanishing position rating, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks again.

05-31-2016, 10:58 AM	#4
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 16,215	With the relative ratings, what is happening there is that your league average power rating is something like 15 on the 1-250 scale. Since you are using relative ratings, any player with a rating of 15 will show a "50" in their profile page. If we recalculate the average and it changed to, say, 13 (which could be as simple of a change from 14.5 dropping to 13.5), then yeah, everyone would likely see their values rise a lot. It's a limitation of the relative ratings when the values are such extremes. The defensive ratings missing are as mentioned before - players' error ratings shifting below our minimum cutoff thresholds. As mentioned, they can still play the positions, but they will certainly make a lot of errors. We'll have some discussions whether we can ease those restrictions, but that could also affect how the AI handles and plays players, and we want to be careful that they're not playing guys at positions where they really shouldn't.

06-02-2016, 12:28 AM	#5
Dukie98 All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 902	Did the defensive positional ratings disappear because of the use of the relative ratings (if it's even possible to tell)? Or is it a separate and independent issue? If the latter -- is there any way around this issue? It seems strange that the game engine has decided that a plus defender in his prime such as Lajoie effectively cannot be played at any position. When new players come into the league in future years, if the relative ratings remains checked, will their ratings automatically be subject to the adjustment, or would it be another midseason change? I'm trying to figure out if it's better to simply ride this out or to go back to the pre-adjustment restore point. Thanks.