Lots of Relievers Turned Starters

Mister_G · 05-21-2016, 10:26 AM

Haven't noticed this in past versions, but there seems to be a lot of relievers turning into starters, or ones that I could definitely turn into starters.

They are guys with the typical (for a reliever) high stuff, slightly lower movement and lower control with three great pitches. There's also a few guys like Will Smith (who has the very high stuff, lower movement and control, with very low stamina) who get turned into starters and dominate in very few IP.

Check out Smith's statline the past few seasons...

I have a slight issue with this in that when I shop a player I am being offered these guys a lot. They're basically being shopped as if they are relievers, but often I can turn them into dominant starters. Or I'm trading for them as if they are starters but they'll sit in the bullpen. I don't see how the AI is making the decisions on putting them in the rotation or not.

Thoughts?

Hammercraft · 05-21-2016, 10:42 AM

I've seen Will Smith converted into a starter and be very effective when the AI does it, but I'm not able to replicate it.

ogie1234 · 01-11-2017, 11:39 AM

I see this as well but opposite. SP's being used as RP. Is there a setting im missing. I have alot (velander, archer, Cobb) of starters being sent to the bullpen??? i have box "allow starters in Relief" set to NO. any ideas??

ttaka808 · 01-11-2017, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ogie1234

I see this as well but opposite. SP's being used as RP. Is there a setting im missing. I have alot (velander, archer, Cobb) of starters being sent to the bullpen??? i have box "allow starters in Relief" set to NO. any ideas??

Maybe your manager is overriding that setting?

ogie1234 · 01-11-2017, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ttaka808

Maybe your manager is overriding that setting?

I find it league wide...not on my team as i micro manage!

The Game · 01-11-2017, 06:18 PM

in my ABF league I'll see guys start, relieve and close in a 20 yr career One guy, and I would have to pull up his stats, has like 150 wins 100 saves and 100 holds.

NoOne · 01-11-2017, 06:48 PM

team need sometimes dictates role... the ones that don't like it ask for SP money in FA and the team doesn't resign them, typically... (LA/NY could be exceptions in many leagues, i bet)

i do it often. i'd rather develop that 3rd pitch as a LR than as a 4th-5th starter. the AI definitely does this - hard to see this in hindsight, but sometimes scouting reports can tip it off after the fact. i watch players of interest in other organizations on a regular basis, so i notice when i see a future #1 SP being used as a RP.

i don't think it's hoarding or anythign really negative as far as impact - if it happens out of proportion from reality, which isn't for known with a cursory glance anyway. i'm glad the ai thinks out of hte box a little bit... even if i don't like the choices. i know i do some odd things on occasion (despite being risk averse and quite bland in general).

The only way you could eliminate it is to make all human controlled teams, but delegate everything, of course and turn off emails and disturbances. then, force the 5 SP you want into that role - or better yet, not always 5 per team but just the ones you want to be SP for certain. you don't want to limit decisions beyond the obvious.

Ogie Oglethorp · 01-24-2017, 11:42 PM

drives me nutz.... a RP with stamina 27 is starting against me and pitches 88 pitches of 1 run over seven innings. He had 38 saves last year!! and they had two starters in pen! I also have "allow starters as relievers" set to NO.

Number4 · 01-25-2017, 04:35 AM

If a guy has above average starter stuff and 3 pitches, but 27 stamina, I'd start him everytime over a meh starter with "real starter stamina" (which might be also only 40). The fewer pitches he can manage will get you farther than the more pitches the weaker starter throws. Allowing additional baserunners leads to throwing more pitches too.

And in any case, I'd rather have 5 innings of 1 run ball than 7 innings of 3 run ball. Even if i run out my long relievers for the 2 innings to bridge the weak stamina starter to where the real stamina starter would leave, they will on average end up way better.

If the AI started a guy and he threw 7 innings of 1 run ball on a realistic maximum effort amount of 87 pitches, I think it did something right.

ttaka808 · 01-25-2017, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ogie Oglethorp

drives me nutz.... a RP with stamina 27 is starting against me and pitches 88 pitches of 1 run over seven innings. He had 38 saves last year!! and they had two starters in pen! I also have "allow starters as relievers" set to NO.

"Allow starters as relievers" only affects your team.

01-11-2017, 11:39 AM	#3
ogie1234 Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 18	I see this as well but opposite. SP's being used as RP. Is there a setting im missing. I have alot (velander, archer, Cobb) of starters being sent to the bullpen??? i have box "allow starters in Relief" set to NO. any ideas?? Last edited by ogie1234; 01-11-2017 at 12:05 PM.

01-11-2017, 06:18 PM	#6
The Game Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Inside The Game Posts: 30,937	in my ABF league I'll see guys start, relieve and close in a 20 yr career One guy, and I would have to pull up his stats, has like 150 wins 100 saves and 100 holds. __________________ Go today don't wait for tomorrow It isn't promised, all the time you get borrowed Don't live your life for other people Don't bottle your emotions till they crack and fill a couple just sorrows Take your mind and refocus go get a paper write your goals out Throw your middle fingers to all your haters "Stay Strong"

01-25-2017, 04:35 AM	#9
Number4 Major Leagues Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 460	If a guy has above average starter stuff and 3 pitches, but 27 stamina, I'd start him everytime over a meh starter with "real starter stamina" (which might be also only 40). The fewer pitches he can manage will get you farther than the more pitches the weaker starter throws. Allowing additional baserunners leads to throwing more pitches too. And in any case, I'd rather have 5 innings of 1 run ball than 7 innings of 3 run ball. Even if i run out my long relievers for the 2 innings to bridge the weak stamina starter to where the real stamina starter would leave, they will on average end up way better. If the AI started a guy and he threw 7 innings of 1 run ball on a realistic maximum effort amount of 87 pitches, I think it did something right. __________________ "Odor is now 2 for 5 today" (Commentator, after Rougned Odor, up to then 1 for 4, punched Jose Bautista square in the face.)

05-21-2016, 10:26 AM	#1
Mister_G All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 576	Lots of Relievers Turned Starters Haven't noticed this in past versions, but there seems to be a lot of relievers turning into starters, or ones that I could definitely turn into starters. They are guys with the typical (for a reliever) high stuff, slightly lower movement and lower control with three great pitches. There's also a few guys like Will Smith (who has the very high stuff, lower movement and control, with very low stamina) who get turned into starters and dominate in very few IP. Check out Smith's statline the past few seasons... I have a slight issue with this in that when I shop a player I am being offered these guys a lot. They're basically being shopped as if they are relievers, but often I can turn them into dominant starters. Or I'm trading for them as if they are starters but they'll sit in the bullpen. I don't see how the AI is making the decisions on putting them in the rotation or not. Thoughts? __________________ A man doesn't make mistakes, mistakes make the man @MisterG90

05-21-2016, 10:42 AM	#2
Hammercraft All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 729	I've seen Will Smith converted into a starter and be very effective when the AI does it, but I'm not able to replicate it.

01-11-2017, 06:48 PM	#7
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	team need sometimes dictates role... the ones that don't like it ask for SP money in FA and the team doesn't resign them, typically... (LA/NY could be exceptions in many leagues, i bet) i do it often. i'd rather develop that 3rd pitch as a LR than as a 4th-5th starter. the AI definitely does this - hard to see this in hindsight, but sometimes scouting reports can tip it off after the fact. i watch players of interest in other organizations on a regular basis, so i notice when i see a future #1 SP being used as a RP. i don't think it's hoarding or anythign really negative as far as impact - if it happens out of proportion from reality, which isn't for known with a cursory glance anyway. i'm glad the ai thinks out of hte box a little bit... even if i don't like the choices. i know i do some odd things on occasion (despite being risk averse and quite bland in general). The only way you could eliminate it is to make all human controlled teams, but delegate everything, of course and turn off emails and disturbances. then, force the 5 SP you want into that role - or better yet, not always 5 per team but just the ones you want to be SP for certain. you don't want to limit decisions beyond the obvious.

01-24-2017, 11:42 PM	#8
Ogie Oglethorp Bat Boy Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 16	drives me nutz.... a RP with stamina 27 is starting against me and pitches 88 pitches of 1 run over seven innings. He had 38 saves last year!! and they had two starters in pen! I also have "allow starters as relievers" set to NO.