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Old 05-12-2016, 12:36 PM   #1
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Where to Put "Weak Arm" in OF

So I have three quality starting outfielders with the following ratings (20-80):

Player A
LF rating: 70
CF rating: 40
RF rating: 20
Arm rating: 30

Player B
LF rating: 60
RF rating: 50
Arm rating: 60

Player C
LF rating: 70
CF rating: 40
RF rating: 50
Arm rating: 60

My question, who would you play where? Player A has an arm that's half as strong as the other two outfielders...and all three outfielders are best at LF. So with their similar strengths/weaknesses, where would you play the weak-armed Player A?

None of these players have the skillset to move to the infield and all are starter quality, with Player A hitting #2 in my lineup and B and C hitting 3 and 6 respectively.
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Old 05-12-2016, 12:38 PM   #2
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I would put player A in LF, B in RF and C in CF. Generally the weaker arm is in LF.
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Old 05-12-2016, 12:52 PM   #3
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A - LF
B - RF
C - CF

A, with that arm, shouldn't be anywhere but LF and his rating there looks quite good. I doubt he'd hurt you tremendously.

The problem I see is that you don't have someone who's a true CF. Player C, to me, is your best bet. He's average there and has an above-average arm.

Maybe use Spring Training to force-start Player B there for a period of time to see if he gets any rating?
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Old 05-12-2016, 01:04 PM   #4
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No. If C is better in LF, he will be better in CF too. I suspect B will improve in RF - with a decent arm, most people get at least equal ratings in LF and RF. Noodle arm goes into LF, that's correct.
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Old 05-12-2016, 01:14 PM   #5
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Weak arm always goes into LF, all others things being roughly equal.
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Old 05-12-2016, 01:41 PM   #6
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A - LF
B - RF
C - CF

A, with that arm, shouldn't be anywhere but LF and his rating there looks quite good. I doubt he'd hurt you tremendously.

The problem I see is that you don't have someone who's a true CF. Player C, to me, is your best bet. He's average there and has an above-average arm.

Maybe use Spring Training to force-start Player B there for a period of time to see if he gets any rating?
That's how I played them last season with my ALCS-winning Orioles team, but players A & B both missed considerable playing time with injuries, so I never had a consistent outfield.

I'm probably going to force player C in at CF in spring training and player B in at RF. C played CF for much of last season, but ended up taking over LF for about 40 games or so when A went down with an injury and I think that may have hampered his development there.
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Old 05-12-2016, 01:44 PM   #7
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Old 05-12-2016, 01:52 PM   #8
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since they are both 40 CF, i'd put the weak arm in CF.

also, since CF will be a 40, regardless, it gives the best ratings for lf/rf as a set.
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I know he has a reputation for being a weak defensive player but I've never seen him throw. Not strong?
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I know he has a reputation for being a weak defensive player but I've never seen him throw. Not strong?
Very not strong. He does everything well except throw. He probably has the weakest outfield arm at the MLB level.
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starling Marte strongly disagrees with all of you. as does cespedes (when he plays LF)
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Old 05-12-2016, 03:44 PM   #12
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for me it would depend on what lineup is against you for that game. IF heavily right handers then I would put him in RF but if lefty lineup then LF would be his place
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starling Marte strongly disagrees with all of you. as does cespedes (when he plays LF)
Marte is a CF. Polanco is a CF. Cutch is THE CF. There's a reason why they have the best OF.
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Very not strong. He does everything well except throw. He probably has the weakest outfield arm at the MLB level.
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I watched the videos and, my goodness, that is a really weak arm for an MLB outfielder. Now I'm kind of shocked that OOTP gave him a 45 on the 20-80 scale. That looks like a 25 to me. How bad a thrower do you have to be to actually rank 20
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I watched the videos and, my goodness, that is a really weak arm for an MLB outfielder. Now I'm kind of shocked that OOTP gave him a 45 on the 20-80 scale. That looks like a 25 to me. How bad a thrower do you have to be to actually rank 20
Ben Revere is a 30 I think.

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It would help if you posted the OF Range and OF Error ratings of the players in question.
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Old 05-12-2016, 11:45 PM   #17
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I watched the videos and, my goodness, that is a really weak arm for an MLB outfielder. Now I'm kind of shocked that OOTP gave him a 45 on the 20-80 scale. That looks like a 25 to me. How bad a thrower do you have to be to actually rank 20
We had him too high, by far. Knew about his arm, but I just never checked it in game I lowered him now.
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Old 05-13-2016, 12:42 AM   #18
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Weak arm always in LF.

The way the game calculates OF "values" is the experience factor multiplies the player's attributes, with a weighting applied to the outfield attributes based on each OF position.

LF values OF error (avoidance) most.
CF values OF range most.
RF values OF arm most.

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Old 05-13-2016, 07:53 AM   #19
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Saying LF/CF/RF rating is misleading, because if a player doesn't have enough experience at a position he may be lower than he should be. Would be more helpful if you said range/error/arm.

Usually a guy with a lower arm goes in LF but it depends also on range/error as well.
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Old 05-13-2016, 12:58 PM   #20
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Saying LF/CF/RF rating is misleading, because if a player doesn't have enough experience at a position he may be lower than he should be. Would be more helpful if you said range/error/arm.

Usually a guy with a lower arm goes in LF but it depends also on range/error as well.
Here goes (including updated position & arm ratings, as the one's I listed were one's I had literally written down as a note on my phone from the previous season):

Player A
Outfield Range: 65
Outfield Error: 60
Outfield Arm: 30

LF: 70
CF: 50
RF: 20


Player B
Outfield Range: 45
Outfield Error: 60
Outfield Arm: 60

LF: 50
RF: 50


Player C
Outfield Range: 60
Outfield Error: 60
Outfield Arm: 70

LF: 75
CF: 50
RF: 30
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