Historical replay positions...

[jokr29]

I started a replay in 1980 and did a complete draft to open league. Ive had a problem after I believe began around 1983(Currently in 1987), wherre the AI would randomly change player positions. It didnt bother me to start with but has become a problem now. Robin Yount was my start SS, and all of a sudden hes a LF who cannot play SS. Now in 1987, I have Gary Sheffield as a SS. Dennis Eckersley is not a closer hes a starting pitching ace. Its become totally unrealistic now and many players who were good in RL are bad in my replay. Such as Jeff Blauser being a one star whos terrible defensively and cannot hit and will not develop. Is there anything I can do to fix this?? I am going to set up a new Replay in 1980, so any help is appreciated.

[jokr29]

Wow, I had just been looking through my team and found a 39yr old Carlton Fisk on my roster. Its Dec. 16th 1987, and after looking at his history it shows he retired on 11/1/1987!!! What is going on.

[NYY #23]

Are you playing with recalc on? I think that will help fix what you're experiencing.

[jokr29]

Ok, I changed it...thanx

[swampdragon]

Incidentally, in 1987 Yount was a fulltime outfielder, Sheffield was a shortstop, and Eckersley had just moved to the bullpen. Blauser was a 21 year old rookie who hit .242 with no power and came up because Andres Thomas (no All-Star himself) was injured. I'd say the game is doing pretty well.

[rwd59]

I agree with the OP. Historical leagues should not be "teaching" or "creating" new positions for players. Carlton Fisk going from catcher to shortstop? Not what I want to see when I am playing historicals. In non-historicals that would be part of the appeal of the game for me. I see this issue all the time and edit those positions out. I guess it happens to give a player who might be blocked by a better player a chance to move to a position that their BAT could be a better choice than existing options. I would rather see a trade be made using the BAT to improve that weaker position than to "create" a new position for the BAT. I always choose to import based on fielding ratings for entire career to get the "true" positional options a player had during his career. A guy like Pete Rose gives you many options and is one of the appeals for trying to obtain him. Just my opinion but I want "real" Pete Rose's not created ones. Oh by the way, I don't like recalc as much as using the game development engine. I like the "chance" that gives to have different career patterns (just not where they play though ).

[BigRed75]

I think you and the OP are missing the point. By 1987, Robin Yount had actually moved from SS to OF. In 1987, Gary Sheffield was a highly-regarded prospect at SS. In 1987, Eck was making the transition to reliever and had still started a few games. And in 1987, Jeff Blauser was a crap player. No teaching or creating new positions here - these things actually happened.

Like swamp dragon said, the game is actually doing pretty well.

[rwd59]

Originally Posted by BigRed75

I think you and the OP are missing the point. By 1987, Robin Yount had actually moved from SS to OF. In 1987, Gary Sheffield was a highly-regarded prospect at SS. In 1987, Eck was making the transition to reliever and had still started a few games. And in 1987, Jeff Blauser was a crap player. No teaching or creating new positions here - these things actually happened.

Like swamp dragon said, the game is actually doing pretty well.

If you are using recalc then yes the game is doing good. I said I don't use recalc. I can guarantee you can look all day and you will not find Carlton Fisk playing shortstop. I also said I choose to have the game import players based on entire career fielding ratings so a player can get rated at all the positions he actually played in his career. Those are the only positions I want them to play and I don't really care which one of those positions he plays. So having Sheffield play SS or Yount play OF is ok with me. But having Fisk play SS or having Ozzie Smith play catcher is not ok with me. I don't want to see any player at a position he never played in his entire career. Now you will never hear me say anything other than OOTP is a GREAT game. I can live with this and just delete those positions as they are added if nothing can be done about it. An option for historical leagues to not allow a player to play a position he is not rated for on import would be great but might not be doable.

[Painmantle]

There are many settings that can have an effect on how players are used. If Carlton Fisk is still playing after his Historical Retirement date and that bothers you, then you need to go into settings and check the box next to "Retire players according to history" .(note: that Fisk has not seen one extra pitch in your league yet if it's still the off season 1987)

You can not use Historical Minors and the OOTP development engine (Which from what I'm reading your are doing) and expect things to turn out historically correct. Those features are not meant for exact Historical replays. If you want a closely resembled Historical replay, you need to use the proper settings to produce those results.

One way to ensure players are playing the Historically correct role/position is to go to the League settings/ historical and make sure

Base Player Roles/positions on, is changed to "Real Life Stats" and not set to "AI evaluation"

I never try to produce results like what your referring to, so maybe one of the recalc-historical guru's will chime in with some insight on the best way to get the results you desire.

[tcoots423]

Originally Posted by Painmantle

There are many settings that can have an effect on how players are used. If Carlton Fisk is still playing after his Historical Retirement date and that bothers you, then you need to go into settings and check the box next to "Retire players according to history" .(note: that Fisk has not seen one extra pitch in your league yet if it's still the off season 1987)

You can not use Historical Minors and the OOTP development engine (Which from what I'm reading your are doing) and expect things to turn out historically correct. Those features are not meant for exact Historical replays. If you want a closely resembled Historical replay, you need to use the proper settings to produce those results.

One way to ensure players are playing the Historically correct role/position is to go to the League settings/ historical and make sure

Base Player Roles/positions on, is changed to "Real Life Stats" and not set to "AI evaluation"

I never try to produce results like what your referring to, so maybe one of the recalc-historical guru's will chime in with some insight on the best way to get the results you desire.

So for me.... If I play a historical game I want to have real minors, and I want players to play the positions they played IRL for the most part but I want to see some All stars flare out and some random minor leaguers become something. I dont want all the great players to always become what they were.. I still want it to feel like a total replay.. So is using the OOTP Dev with Real minors ok?

[BigRed75]

Originally Posted by rwd59

If you are using recalc then yes the game is doing good. I said I don't use recalc. I can guarantee you can look all day and you will not find Carlton Fisk playing shortstop. I also said I choose to have the game import players based on entire career fielding ratings so a player can get rated at all the positions he actually played in his career. Those are the only positions I want them to play and I don't really care which one of those positions he plays. So having Sheffield play SS or Yount play OF is ok with me. But having Fisk play SS or having Ozzie Smith play catcher is not ok with me. I don't want to see any player at a position he never played in his entire career. Now you will never hear me say anything other than OOTP is a GREAT game. I can live with this and just delete those positions as they are added if nothing can be done about it. An option for historical leagues to not allow a player to play a position he is not rated for on import would be great but might not be doable.

Who said anything about Fisk playing SS or Ozzie Smith playing catcher? The OP didn't say anything about that. His only mention of Fisk was that Fisk was on his active roster after he had retired in-game in 1987 (because IRL Fisk retired in 1993), which seems like a valid complaint.

[tcoots423]

Originally Posted by BigRed75

Who said anything about Fisk playing SS or Ozzie Smith playing catcher? The OP didn't say anything about that. His only mention of Fisk was that Fisk was on his active roster after he had retired in-game in 1987 (because IRL Fisk retired in 1993), which seems like a valid complaint.

BigRed whatd you think about my question?^^^^

[The Game]

Also use 1 yr recalc vs 3 yr. With 1 yr Eck will become a CL the year he is supposded to. Sheff will switch from SS when he ius supposed to. With 3 yr, whichj is defaulty then Eclk may not become a full time VL until 1988 or 1989. Sheff may still be a SS until his OF avg comes into play. 3 yr recalc also messes with Smoltz. Is Fisk on your roster as of january 1st 1988?

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by tcoots423

So for me.... If I play a historical game I want to have real minors, and I want players to play the positions they played IRL for the most part but I want to see some All stars flare out and some random minor leaguers become something. I dont want all the great players to always become what they were.. I still want it to feel like a total replay.. So is using the OOTP Dev with Real minors ok?

Yes OOTP dev. with real minors will be ok. I recommend using "base starting pitcher stamina" to entire career. By doing this you will avoid seeing guys like Schilling, Pedro etc. get stuck as relief pitchers for their entire careers.

[rwd59]

Originally Posted by BigRed75

Who said anything about Fisk playing SS or Ozzie Smith playing catcher? The OP didn't say anything about that. His only mention of Fisk was that Fisk was on his active roster after he had retired in-game in 1987 (because IRL Fisk retired in 1993), which seems like a valid complaint.

I said Fisk at SS in my 1st post because that was what he was playing in my latest league. I added that Ozzie Smith was playing catcher in my second post. You replied to my post because you said you and the OP are missing the point. It's all good though. The great thing about this game is the ability for everyone to find his own way of enjoying the game. I choose to delete positions a player never played in rel life when I see them. I could care less if the players stats are nowhere near his real life stats but I just can't envision in my mind the sight of a slow a player playing a position he obviously never played. BTW, the thing with retired players showing up on active rosters, I started a bug report on that a few of days ago (not sure if it had already been reported by someone else).

[rwd59]

Originally Posted by Painmantle

There are many settings that can have an effect on how players are used. If Carlton Fisk is still playing after his Historical Retirement date and that bothers you, then you need to go into settings and check the box next to "Retire players according to history" .(note: that Fisk has not seen one extra pitch in your league yet if it's still the off season 1987)

You can not use Historical Minors and the OOTP development engine (Which from what I'm reading your are doing) and expect things to turn out historically correct. Those features are not meant for exact Historical replays. If you want a closely resembled Historical replay, you need to use the proper settings to produce those results.

One way to ensure players are playing the Historically correct role/position is to go to the League settings/ historical and make sure

Base Player Roles/positions on, is changed to "Real Life Stats" and not set to "AI evaluation"

I never try to produce results like what your referring to, so maybe one of the recalc-historical guru's will chime in with some insight on the best way to get the results you desire.

Thanks. I don't worry about the stats a player produces. I do lower my talent change randomness to make it more likely that a player performs close to real life but it doesn't bother me if he doesn't. However, I forgot about the base player roles on switch. I'll check that to see if that is my problem. However, like the OP said retired players are showing up on the roster of their original import team in historicals, They are playing in the minor leagues of that team the next season.