Can we please get some way to tell who the trouble causers are!?

[jpeters1734]

It's really frustrating. I've gotten 3 emails in the last week from players that can take the locker room bickering anymore. looking at leadership and personality reports, there is not a clearcut problem maker. Can we please get some kind of mechanism to get this figured out?

[endgame]

Mind maybe taking a look at this thread and adding comment, if you're inclined?

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...last-year.html

[Hammercraft]

It appears that the importance and effect of player characteristics has been buffed in this edition, which I kind of like. Negotiating personalities can become an important part of the job IRL. But two things I noticed:

- The person complaining can often be the problem
- Sometimes you can't see the problem by looking at charts, you only see it by inspecting each player

['94 EXPOS]

Clubhouse chemistry is not something that you can measure tangibly in real life.

I assume that is what the game is trying to emulate....I don't think an obvious 1+1=2 solution is available.....balancing traits among your various players, finding a captain style leader, generally voiding major cancer players (obviously gets complicated if you have a player like Manny Ramirez who is very talented) and a winning record are the best ways that I can think of to try and fix clubhouse issues.

[Noone_Uknow]

Does anyone know how much an issue the Manager/Bench Coach play in terms of the clubhouse chemistry? I had a poor clubhouse and removed all of the guys I though were bad apples, and still had problems. At the end of the year, I fired my manager and haven't heard of any problems since. I'm not sure if it's a coincidence or not...

[jpeters1734]

Originally Posted by '94 EXPOS

Clubhouse chemistry is not something that you can measure tangibly in real life.

I assume that is what the game is trying to emulate....I don't think an obvious 1+1=2 solution is available.....balancing traits among your various players, finding a captain style leader, generally voiding major cancer players (obviously gets complicated if you have a player like Manny Ramirez who is very talented) and a winning record are the best ways that I can think of to try and fix clubhouse issues.

Of course and I wouldn't expect a chemistry rating. I simply want more info so I can make an informed decision. I feel like I'm always shooting in the dark

[edtheguy]

Originally Posted by '94 EXPOS

(obviously gets complicated if you have a player like Manny Ramirez who is very talented) and a winning record are the best ways that I can think of to try and fix clubhouse issues.

I think that is spot on, and the last two observations might well be music to our developers ears, I wouldn't be surprised if Manny is a good example of the kind of situation they are looking to create in game.

I would add myself to the list of those who are enjoying the challenge. It's an added element of realism for me, something doesn't have a cut and dried solution that you can 'beat' by doing the same thing every time... if you get my drift.

I think the managers personality at least can definitely be a factor. I've had two morale disasters in one of my saves, the first one was instantly solved by changing managers and winning games. The second resulted in the proverbial 'blowing it up' roster rebuild and a terrible season.

I could look at it as the game not being fair, I guess, but instead I see it as me putting together two rosters that didn't work and having to figure out how to fix it.

Seems like part of a GM's job to me, but I totally understand others frustration with it. Especially since it's a relatively new feature and everyone is still trying to 'figure it out'.

[Hammercraft]

Originally Posted by Noone_Uknow

Does anyone know how much an issue the Manager/Bench Coach play in terms of the clubhouse chemistry? I had a poor clubhouse and removed all of the guys I though were bad apples, and still had problems. At the end of the year, I fired my manager and haven't heard of any problems since. I'm not sure if it's a coincidence or not...

The effect a manager has on the clubhouse definitely seems buffed. Things it warned us about in '16 like "some veterans might be upset" or "not the best environment for developing players" seems enhanced. I've solved more than one negative environment just by firing the skipper.

[Assos]

I have solved my problems by finding the one or two players who have a me first 'tude or selfish players and the clubhouse will become happier. Winning, of course, is the best panacea.

[jpeters1734]

You know, it never occurred to me to fire the manager

[Raidergoo]

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

You know, it never occurred to me to fire the manager

There are three ways to win more games in baseball, getting better players, goat sacrifice, and firing managers. Getting better players is expensive. Goat sacrifice is messy. Firing managers is noble.

[edtheguy]

Originally Posted by Raidergoo

There are three ways to win more games in baseball, getting better players, goat sacrifice, and firing managers. Getting better players is expensive. Goat sacrifice is messy. Firing managers is noble.

The man speaks truth.

[jarmenia]

Originally Posted by edtheguy

Manny is a good example of the kind of situation they are looking to create in game.

And you've hit the nail on the head. Everyone knew the issue was Manny. In OOTP, its not clear at all.

[jpeters1734]

Originally Posted by jarmenia

And you've hit the nail on the head. Everyone knew the issue was Manny. In OOTP, its not clear at all.

exactly this!!!

[jpeters1734]

Interestingly, it seems like my manager actually was causing some of the tension. Since bringing in a completely different style, morale has improved and we've been 19-14 since. Though I can't attribute it solely on the manager since i did blindly move some players out.

There definitely needs to be some way to request what is going on.

[r0nster]

Midseason report WILL inform you of troublemakers on your team by name.

[jarmenia]

Originally Posted by r0nster

Midseason report WILL inform you of troublemakers on your team by name.

Nice! I'm optimistically optimistic!

['94 EXPOS]

Originally Posted by jarmenia

And you've hit the nail on the head. Everyone knew the issue was Manny. In OOTP, its not clear at all.

The Red Sox won two World Series with Manny being Manny

[jpeters1734]

Originally Posted by r0nster

Midseason report WILL inform you of troublemakers on your team by name.

That true but a realize gm isn't going to be blind until midseason

Originally Posted by '94 EXPOS

The Red Sox won two World Series with Manny being Manny

And they had a better way of controlling the clubhouse besides releasing players that MIGHT be the problem

[curt]

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

You know, it never occurred to me to fire the manager

That won't work for me. I am the manager.