Trade AI change

Qwizzikal Kook · 03-02-2003, 05:00 PM

Hey there,

I was wondering if there was anyway to tweak the trade AI besides the less often, normal, more often, etc changes?

I have a league that I brought over from OOTP4 into 5 and I must say I don't understand the logic in the trade AI for 5. Granted, 4 probably gave a little too much, but 5 seems fairly resistant to any trade.

As an example, I offered a team who had 6 needs near all-stars/all stars at 4 of them. When I tried to check for different players, there were 4 in their entire organization that they would trade me. And only one at a time. All 4 were 2-3 star players (all average in talent). Seeing as how I was filling 4 of their "needs" and they didn't seem to be willing to trade anything, I tried other teams. I found the same thing happened.

After abandoning that route, I tried letting the AI decide who they would take. (there really should be an option for them to tell me who they will give me after I place players on my block). When placing a player on their block that I desired, I opted for requesting an offer. Every time I did so, they elected someone not even comparable to the selected player.

It seems as though trades can only be made now if you want to give up a lot more than you could possibly get. I also noticed that almost no trade offers come through during the season, whereas in OOTP4, I received at least 20-30.

Please let me know if there is anything I can do to tweak this as the lack of a decent trade leaves me fairly unwilling to continue my league.

Thanks and have a good day,

QK

Steve Kuffrey · 03-02-2003, 05:01 PM

That is the only adjustments for it.

Ragin Cajun · 03-02-2003, 05:22 PM

I have seen this also Steve. I have trade frequency on HIGH and have a bad team with many holes. I get a handful of offers per year.

The last offer was a 2star second baseman in return for a 4 star MR in his prime (my main FA signee as well) and one of my top prospects (was a 1st round pick 2 seasons ago).

Pretty steep price.

delusional · 03-02-2003, 07:58 PM

i know i get offered crap trades.

Like my league leading 1B that is a 5 star with 6+ in all numbers and talent at good....for a 2B that is like fair ave fair and 35yrs old lol

Applecorey · 03-02-2003, 08:02 PM

Is there a way to open up the actual trade window when you get a trade offer via email. It would be nice to be able to counter offer when you get a trade offer via email.

delusional · 03-02-2003, 08:16 PM

good idea

gamadict · 03-03-2003, 04:49 AM

Bumping this way up...Anyone have any tips on the trade front yet...??

Seems extremely difficult to get the AI to give up any prospects at all if you're not offering a top-10 type player...

Qwizzikal Kook · 03-03-2003, 04:15 PM

Hey I appreciate the responses on this thread.

I actually am somewhat vexed by this as I was a trading fiend in OOTP4, yet have been stifled in OOTP5. It would be one thing if it seemed there were some logical scale, but there generally doesn't seem to be. If I offer a Macguire type of player (ok average, insane hrs), I am usually offered a Jose Offerman in return. Even when I fill a need.

I think the logic needs to be patched.

Have fun all,

QK

Rockpile · 03-03-2003, 04:51 PM

I think the trade AI needs work too. The only deal it seems like I can make is a 33 year old MR for the same thing (???) or a decent starter for 5 average prospects.

The FUN of this game is the GMing of a team.

JWay · 03-03-2003, 04:53 PM

yeah I think the request offer should allow more than one player in yourside of the deal. Also a shop player option should be there.

BusterKing · 03-03-2003, 06:28 PM

Simple solution, different taste for many people.

I suggest the following,

Have a choice of what type of trading AI we want:

Very easy, easy, normal, difficult, very difficult.

With those choices I am sure that most of us would be close to being satisfied with one of them.

TwinsFan · 03-03-2003, 07:40 PM

Yeah this new trading AI is tough, but it's so much better. As stingy as the CPU is iv'e been offered a good deal that I actually took. More than can be said for last years edition. YOU CAN STILL MAKE TRADES,, granted no longer can you trade your 7rated pitcher making 8 MILL/yr, for 4 stud prospects and another 7 pitcher. But i've been able to build my farm system up to where I have 3 of the top 5 prospects, and have also won the WS for 3 straight years. I agree with Buster though in that it would be nice to have different settings.

Maria Nieves · 03-03-2003, 08:52 PM

Because the computer will not allow me to dump my overpaid veterans to fill its needs, I began to experiment with the trading engine.

It is definately rigged against us. Here's why:

My goal was to get Tom Seaver from the Reds (I was the Yankees). I tried trading people like Underwood and Tommy John and tried to fill the Reds' needs with veterans. Nothing. I received the infamous message saying that they will not trade Seaver at all!

Well, I went out of this trading window and put the Reds at the LEFT-side of the screen ("our" side) and my team at the RIGHT-side. Sure enough, I had the ability to get Seaver for almost nothing. (As a sidenote, I did not actually make the trade because it seemed unfair.)

What do you guys think about that?

***I wish the trading part of the game was the same as OOTP4!!!!***

Trading (for me) is so integral to building sucessful teams, ESPECIALLY for dumping high-priced players without RELEASING THEM. In addition, the old system was great for aquiring draft picks you missed...

If only this new trading method could go back.

mh2365 · 03-03-2003, 08:56 PM

too bad in real life teams can't dump high-priced players

Maria Nieves · 03-03-2003, 09:01 PM

Yeah, you're right. Just ask Kevin Millwood and Russ Ortiz about not being dumped for lower salary players.

mh2365 · 03-03-2003, 09:11 PM

too bad the Yankees still have Mondesi, Hitchcock, White and all the others they can't get rid of ..... when you dump good players like Millwood and Ortiz it's easy ... I got two prospects and two pitchers for Lowe, because he's good ... but when I try and dump a crappy player who makes lots of money, no go ... sounds like you want to dump your 5 mil players for 3, 4 star prospects and you can't do it in the game, nor can you do it in real life ... usually in real life teams have to take almost equal salary back when dumping crappy players (i.e. El Duque)

delusional · 03-03-2003, 10:25 PM

Just noticed i been getting offered ALOT of MRs

Jays9293 · 03-03-2003, 10:34 PM

Yankees STILL HAVE Mondesi? Do you even watch MLB Baseball. They just traded FOR him last season. I get your point, but that was a horrible example.

Smellyface · 03-03-2003, 10:41 PM

I am all for the trading AI being tougher than in OOTP4, because it really was too easy to take advantage of computer teams. You could give them 38 year old players who were still good but wouldn't be for much longer and get really good players in their primes and sometimes even incredible prospects.

I haven't messed around with the trading in OOTP5, and I don't like the idea of it being impossible to make good trades, but I definitely think it should be harder than in 4.

rwmorey · 03-03-2003, 10:45 PM

I agree that the trade AI needs work..

I went through the TRADING BLOCK for all the teams in my league on June 30th and there was NO BODY on the block!?!?

I went to teams that were cash strapped and no one wanted to trade any of their high paid players..

Is it just me, or does it seem realistic that there should be teams with high paid guys at the end of their contracts who probably aren't gonna resign with their current team, and so that team might want to trade the guy if they are not in contention for the playoffs? I've seen some cases of this, but can't ever get the computer to bite on a trade..

It just doesn't seem right to me..

Rich

03-02-2003, 05:00 PM	#1
Qwizzikal Kook Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 3	Trade AI change Hey there, I was wondering if there was anyway to tweak the trade AI besides the less often, normal, more often, etc changes? I have a league that I brought over from OOTP4 into 5 and I must say I don't understand the logic in the trade AI for 5. Granted, 4 probably gave a little too much, but 5 seems fairly resistant to any trade. As an example, I offered a team who had 6 needs near all-stars/all stars at 4 of them. When I tried to check for different players, there were 4 in their entire organization that they would trade me. And only one at a time. All 4 were 2-3 star players (all average in talent). Seeing as how I was filling 4 of their "needs" and they didn't seem to be willing to trade anything, I tried other teams. I found the same thing happened. After abandoning that route, I tried letting the AI decide who they would take. (there really should be an option for them to tell me who they will give me after I place players on my block). When placing a player on their block that I desired, I opted for requesting an offer. Every time I did so, they elected someone not even comparable to the selected player. It seems as though trades can only be made now if you want to give up a lot more than you could possibly get. I also noticed that almost no trade offers come through during the season, whereas in OOTP4, I received at least 20-30. Please let me know if there is anything I can do to tweak this as the lack of a decent trade leaves me fairly unwilling to continue my league. Thanks and have a good day, QK

03-02-2003, 05:01 PM	#2
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,036	That is the only adjustments for it. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

03-02-2003, 05:22 PM	#3
Ragin Cajun All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Atascosita, TX Posts: 1,173	I have seen this also Steve. I have trade frequency on HIGH and have a bad team with many holes. I get a handful of offers per year. The last offer was a 2star second baseman in return for a 4 star MR in his prime (my main FA signee as well) and one of my top prospects (was a 1st round pick 2 seasons ago). Pretty steep price. __________________ Former NBSL Commissioner: 16 years Former Online League Owner; six time champion

03-02-2003, 07:58 PM	#4
delusional Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 252	i know i get offered crap trades. Like my league leading 1B that is a 5 star with 6+ in all numbers and talent at good....for a 2B that is like fair ave fair and 35yrs old lol __________________ USBA - Philadelphia Mavericks t

03-02-2003, 08:02 PM	#5
Applecorey Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 307	Is there a way to open up the actual trade window when you get a trade offer via email. It would be nice to be able to counter offer when you get a trade offer via email. __________________ www.boardgamegeek.com

03-02-2003, 08:16 PM	#6
delusional Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 252	good idea __________________ USBA - Philadelphia Mavericks t

03-03-2003, 04:49 AM	#7
gamadict Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pitsburgh, PA... Posts: 50	Bumping this way up...Anyone have any tips on the trade front yet...?? Seems extremely difficult to get the AI to give up any prospects at all if you're not offering a top-10 type player...

03-03-2003, 04:15 PM	#8
Qwizzikal Kook Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 3	Looks like I'm not the only one... Hey I appreciate the responses on this thread. I actually am somewhat vexed by this as I was a trading fiend in OOTP4, yet have been stifled in OOTP5. It would be one thing if it seemed there were some logical scale, but there generally doesn't seem to be. If I offer a Macguire type of player (ok average, insane hrs), I am usually offered a Jose Offerman in return. Even when I fill a need. I think the logic needs to be patched. Have fun all, QK

03-03-2003, 04:51 PM	#9
Rockpile All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 620	I think the trade AI needs work too. The only deal it seems like I can make is a 33 year old MR for the same thing (???) or a decent starter for 5 average prospects. The FUN of this game is the GMing of a team.

03-03-2003, 04:53 PM	#10
JWay Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Posts: 5,031	yeah I think the request offer should allow more than one player in yourside of the deal. Also a shop player option should be there.

03-03-2003, 06:28 PM	#11
BusterKing Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,436	Simple solution, different taste for many people. I suggest the following, Have a choice of what type of trading AI we want: Very easy, easy, normal, difficult, very difficult. With those choices I am sure that most of us would be close to being satisfied with one of them.

03-03-2003, 07:40 PM	#12
TwinsFan Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Some planet in outer space Posts: 199	Yeah this new trading AI is tough, but it's so much better. As stingy as the CPU is iv'e been offered a good deal that I actually took. More than can be said for last years edition. YOU CAN STILL MAKE TRADES,, granted no longer can you trade your 7rated pitcher making 8 MILL/yr, for 4 stud prospects and another 7 pitcher. But i've been able to build my farm system up to where I have 3 of the top 5 prospects, and have also won the WS for 3 straight years. I agree with Buster though in that it would be nice to have different settings. __________________ OOTP 22 OOTP 21 OOTP 20

03-03-2003, 08:52 PM	#13
Maria Nieves Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 44	Because the computer will not allow me to dump my overpaid veterans to fill its needs, I began to experiment with the trading engine. It is definately rigged against us. Here's why: My goal was to get Tom Seaver from the Reds (I was the Yankees). I tried trading people like Underwood and Tommy John and tried to fill the Reds' needs with veterans. Nothing. I received the infamous message saying that they will not trade Seaver at all! Well, I went out of this trading window and put the Reds at the LEFT-side of the screen ("our" side) and my team at the RIGHT-side. Sure enough, I had the ability to get Seaver for almost nothing. (As a sidenote, I did not actually make the trade because it seemed unfair.) What do you guys think about that? *I wish the trading part of the game was the same as OOTP4!!!!* Trading (for me) is so integral to building sucessful teams, ESPECIALLY for dumping high-priced players without RELEASING THEM. In addition, the old system was great for aquiring draft picks you missed... If only this new trading method could go back.

03-03-2003, 08:56 PM	#14
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	too bad in real life teams can't dump high-priced players

03-03-2003, 09:01 PM	#15
Maria Nieves Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 44	Yeah, you're right. Just ask Kevin Millwood and Russ Ortiz about not being dumped for lower salary players.

03-03-2003, 09:11 PM	#16
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	too bad the Yankees still have Mondesi, Hitchcock, White and all the others they can't get rid of ..... when you dump good players like Millwood and Ortiz it's easy ... I got two prospects and two pitchers for Lowe, because he's good ... but when I try and dump a crappy player who makes lots of money, no go ... sounds like you want to dump your 5 mil players for 3, 4 star prospects and you can't do it in the game, nor can you do it in real life ... usually in real life teams have to take almost equal salary back when dumping crappy players (i.e. El Duque)

03-03-2003, 10:25 PM	#17
delusional Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 252	Just noticed i been getting offered ALOT of MRs __________________ USBA - Philadelphia Mavericks t

03-03-2003, 10:34 PM	#18
Jays9293 Bat Boy Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 19	Yankees STILL HAVE Mondesi? Do you even watch MLB Baseball. They just traded FOR him last season. I get your point, but that was a horrible example.

03-03-2003, 10:41 PM	#19
Smellyface Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 211	I am all for the trading AI being tougher than in OOTP4, because it really was too easy to take advantage of computer teams. You could give them 38 year old players who were still good but wouldn't be for much longer and get really good players in their primes and sometimes even incredible prospects. I haven't messed around with the trading in OOTP5, and I don't like the idea of it being impossible to make good trades, but I definitely think it should be harder than in 4. __________________ Corked Bat Baseball League

03-03-2003, 10:45 PM	#20
rwmorey Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 177	EMPTY Trade Block I agree that the trade AI needs work.. I went through the TRADING BLOCK for all the teams in my league on June 30th and there was NO BODY on the block!?!? I went to teams that were cash strapped and no one wanted to trade any of their high paid players.. Is it just me, or does it seem realistic that there should be teams with high paid guys at the end of their contracts who probably aren't gonna resign with their current team, and so that team might want to trade the guy if they are not in contention for the playoffs? I've seen some cases of this, but can't ever get the computer to bite on a trade.. It just doesn't seem right to me.. Rich