A small request

Mr. Marlin · 03-02-2016, 07:45 AM

Or maybe a big one. I don't think this would be hard to do but I know little about coding or what OOTP is doing under the hood.

If you play stats only the one trait of pitchers you really can't glean any info on is the pitchers stamina. Stats only players rely more on their scouts text reports for intangibles like that. Would it be possible to have the scouts report mention an opinion on that for pitchers. It becomes a problem when you are looking to convert a reliever into a starter only to find him gassed by the end of the 2nd inning! It does not have to be detailed. Good, medium, or low would be enough. Just to give an idea.

Sure I could turn the rating on to see it but I love the challenge of stats only and doing that breaks immersion IMO.

The Wolf · 03-02-2016, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Marlin

Or maybe a big one. I don't think this would be hard to do but I know little about coding or what OOTP is doing under the hood.

If you play stats only the one trait of pitchers you really can't glean any info on is the pitchers stamina. Stats only players rely more on their scouts text reports for intangibles like that. Would it be possible to have the scouts report mention an opinion on that for pitchers. It becomes a problem when you are looking to convert a reliever into a starter only to find him gassed by the end of the 2nd inning! It does not have to be detailed. Good, medium, or low would be enough. Just to give an idea.

Sure I could turn the rating on to see it but I love the challenge of stats only and doing that breaks immersion IMO.

I realize that stats only is played by a small fraction of players, which is why I am not banging a drum asking for changes to make it better and easier, but Mr. M is correct and as the godfather of stats only I would like to support him.

I remain convinced that a built-in stats-only mode would be a selling point for the game and make it a better and more accurate simulation, but, once again, I realize and accept that stats only players are only a small percentage of users at present.

Mr. Marlin · 03-02-2016, 12:49 PM

I don't disagree with the Wolf very often but I don't think the game needs much added to it to help stats only game play. Aside from making the player profile page customizable to remove the blank spaces where the rating bars were I guess. I've been doing this so long I don't even notice them anymore for my part. I don't think the benefit to the relatively small stats only crowd would be worth the effort Markus & Co would have to put into it.

Stats only is just a different way of analyzing the data. You have to really look at it rather than just glance. But I've found that if forces me to rely on the scout more in some things and less in others. I once thought it would be nice if the scouting report gave a breakdown on the pitchers individual pitches the way a real scout would but I don't think we need to get that granular in this game. But when it comes to the intangibles like speed (which we already have) and pitcher stamina it would be really nice to have.

I don't want to turn this thread into another argument about the merits of playing this way but stats only has made me appreciate the real life game much more because now I really understand what it all means and can read the story it is telling on mlb.com

The Wolf · 03-02-2016, 01:25 PM

Improved and expanded scouting reports are needed for sure. And I agree with you, Mr. Marlin, about how SO makes you more knowledgable about stats and how much better it teaches you to read the story that they tell.

Lockdog · 03-02-2016, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Marlin

If you play stats only the one trait of pitchers you really can't glean any info on is the pitchers stamina. Stats only players rely more on their scouts text reports for intangibles like that.

That and pitch quality is missing in scouting reports. The only reason I play with ratings on is we don't get to see a description of each guy's pitch in the report.

The Wolf · 03-02-2016, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Lockdog

That and pitch quality is missing in scouting reports. The only reason I play with ratings on is we don't get to see a description of each guy's pitch in the report.

Improved and expanded scouting reports would hopefully cover this.

Matt Uk · 03-02-2016, 05:57 PM

I play stats only too but it would be nice if the 'other ratings' could be broken down a bit more and perhaps be able to be individually turned on or off.

For the first season I turn on the others ratings (1-5 only to be as vague as possible) to get to know the guys already in the majors.

Fielding ratings are another one for me, because oftentimes I find a player has a better rating at a different position to the position they 'play'.

For instance in the game I'm playing now, starting out in Rimini in the Italian League, I have a player called Federico Castagnini who is down as a 3B. If the fielding ratings were off I could see that he can also play 1B and 2B, but not knowing him at all, I would assume his best position was 3B and as such probably not play him elsewhere. Perhaps an occasional 1B as cover but probably never have cause to stick him in at 2B.

However his fielding ratings on the 1-5 scale are 3B his game position, 1, 1B 1 but 2B is 3! So he is a much better 2nd Baseman than his other positions he can field but I'd probably never really get to know that as my other 2B is a decent fielder and can only play 2B, so I'd have no real reason to use him there other than perhaps to cover an injury.

So, although I play and much prefer stats only I think there are a couple of ratings worth knowing that you would 'know' in real life which is why I think it would be nice to have more on/off options with the ratings.

Well, that all got a bit long winded

Anyway I'm with Wolf on this one and as such now need to go and lay down

The Wolf · 03-02-2016, 06:34 PM

I agree with Matt UK. Fortunately I am already lying down.

03-02-2016, 07:45 AM	#1
Mr. Marlin All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,278	A small request Or maybe a big one. I don't think this would be hard to do but I know little about coding or what OOTP is doing under the hood. If you play stats only the one trait of pitchers you really can't glean any info on is the pitchers stamina. Stats only players rely more on their scouts text reports for intangibles like that. Would it be possible to have the scouts report mention an opinion on that for pitchers. It becomes a problem when you are looking to convert a reliever into a starter only to find him gassed by the end of the 2nd inning! It does not have to be detailed. Good, medium, or low would be enough. Just to give an idea. Sure I could turn the rating on to see it but I love the challenge of stats only and doing that breaks immersion IMO.

03-02-2016, 12:49 PM	#3
Mr. Marlin All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,278	I don't disagree with the Wolf very often but I don't think the game needs much added to it to help stats only game play. Aside from making the player profile page customizable to remove the blank spaces where the rating bars were I guess. I've been doing this so long I don't even notice them anymore for my part. I don't think the benefit to the relatively small stats only crowd would be worth the effort Markus & Co would have to put into it. Stats only is just a different way of analyzing the data. You have to really look at it rather than just glance. But I've found that if forces me to rely on the scout more in some things and less in others. I once thought it would be nice if the scouting report gave a breakdown on the pitchers individual pitches the way a real scout would but I don't think we need to get that granular in this game. But when it comes to the intangibles like speed (which we already have) and pitcher stamina it would be really nice to have. I don't want to turn this thread into another argument about the merits of playing this way but stats only has made me appreciate the real life game much more because now I really understand what it all means and can read the story it is telling on mlb.com Last edited by Mr. Marlin; 03-02-2016 at 12:50 PM.

03-02-2016, 05:57 PM	#7
Matt Uk Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: UK Posts: 450	I play stats only too but it would be nice if the 'other ratings' could be broken down a bit more and perhaps be able to be individually turned on or off. For the first season I turn on the others ratings (1-5 only to be as vague as possible) to get to know the guys already in the majors. Fielding ratings are another one for me, because oftentimes I find a player has a better rating at a different position to the position they 'play'. For instance in the game I'm playing now, starting out in Rimini in the Italian League, I have a player called Federico Castagnini who is down as a 3B. If the fielding ratings were off I could see that he can also play 1B and 2B, but not knowing him at all, I would assume his best position was 3B and as such probably not play him elsewhere. Perhaps an occasional 1B as cover but probably never have cause to stick him in at 2B. However his fielding ratings on the 1-5 scale are 3B his game position, 1, 1B 1 but 2B is 3! So he is a much better 2nd Baseman than his other positions he can field but I'd probably never really get to know that as my other 2B is a decent fielder and can only play 2B, so I'd have no real reason to use him there other than perhaps to cover an injury. So, although I play and much prefer stats only I think there are a couple of ratings worth knowing that you would 'know' in real life which is why I think it would be nice to have more on/off options with the ratings. Well, that all got a bit long winded Anyway I'm with Wolf on this one and as such now need to go and lay down