I need some help with how the player ratings work

Hammercraft · 02-20-2016, 03:32 PM

The stars are not in alignment!

My problem seems to just be with pitchers at the moment. Hitters seem to show up fine in terms of actual & potential representing what they can do. If anything, they're a little inflated.

But all the pitchers in my league seem to be undervalued when the 'stars' potential is calculated. I've got pitchers with great pitch ratings who are valued as garbage. For example, I've got Cole Hamels in great health going 11-5 with a sub-3 ERA, and he's only rated one star.

Is this natural? Is there a 'correction' that should be applied, some way to reset the ratings system?

Lukas Berger · 02-20-2016, 03:36 PM

One thing you can do is change your evaluation settings so they take stats into account more than just pure ratings. That would likely help with Hamels.

You might also try to check the overall rating by position box and see if you like the results better from using that setting.

Or you could just turn the stars off. After all, there are no star ratings in real life!

The other advice I'd give is just not to sweat the stars even if you keep them on. They're a very, very rough shorthand estimate of a players skill and value and there's much less difference between say a good 1* player and a 3* player than most people assume there is.

They're not really all that important, the ratings and the performance are the main thing.

OakDragon · 02-20-2016, 04:48 PM

Keep in mind they take everything into account, including speed and defense, two things people tend not to care about for pitchers anyway.

Lockdog · 02-20-2016, 05:27 PM

Focus on stats when it comes to evaluating players. Stars can be both frustrating if you have a 1-star player doing really well, or disappointed if a guy's performance does not match his overall or potential.

progen · 02-20-2016, 05:31 PM

Play stats only. Arguments will go back and forth on this until doomsday, but it's the only way to play in my opinion.

If you decide to take the plunge, here's the setup I have for the AI settings. Others can certainly weigh in on this.

Ratings weight - 0
Current year stats - 67
Previous year - 22
2 years ago - 11

Trade difficulty - Hard
Preference - Neutral

jpeters1734 · 02-20-2016, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by progen

Play stats only. Arguments will go back and forth on this until doomsday, but it's the only way to play in my opinion.

If you decide to take the plunge, here's the setup I have for the AI settings. Others can certainly weigh in on this.

Ratings weight - 0
Current year stats - 67
Previous year - 22
2 years ago - 11

Trade difficulty - Hard
Preference - Neutral

What's the point of setting the AI evaluation numbers? Doesn't that only affect the overall score(stars)?

Matt Arnold · 02-20-2016, 07:11 PM

We've played around with the scouting and evaluation, so 17 should be better for this

The Wolf · 02-20-2016, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by progen

Play stats only. Arguments will go back and forth on this until doomsday, but it's the only way to play in my opinion.

If you decide to take the plunge, here's the setup I have for the AI settings. Others can certainly weigh in on this.

Ratings weight - 0
Current year stats - 67
Previous year - 22
2 years ago - 11

Trade difficulty - Hard
Preference - Neutral

I could not agree more, and use the exact same settings for some reason.

The Wolf · 02-20-2016, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

We've played around with the scouting and evaluation, so 17 should be better for this

Better for stats only?

Matt Arnold · 02-20-2016, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Better for stats only?

Yes

I did look a little in how we calculated stats values and cleaned it up a little. Now it should better reflect their actual value.

The Wolf · 02-21-2016, 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Yes

I did look a little in how we calculated stats values and cleaned it up a little. Now it should better reflect their actual value.

Thank you. For 18, might I ask you to consider a user-selectable stats-only mode? It wouldn't require many changes, and I think it would add both to the value of the game and to its appeal.

TGH-Adfabre · 02-21-2016, 01:37 AM

Scouting on or off?
Overall determined by Ratings only or AI Eval?
If AI Eval what are your settings?
Screen shot of Hammels pitching ratings?

Need more info.

rjl518 · 02-21-2016, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matt arnold

yes

i did look a little in how we calculated stats values and cleaned it up a little. Now it should better reflect their actual value.

Thank you.
I cant stand it when a 80 plays like a 20.
But then again, i cant stand it when a 20 plays like an 80 either.
Makes it even more difficult to judge a player's future ability sometimes.
I have had 20s that have played very well throughout their entire careers in the majors.
And my scout still says they should be a on a minor league team for life.

It also sounds like they improved the Trade AI.
I have had some issues with that thing.

The Wolf · 02-21-2016, 01:08 PM

Injuries once forced me to plug a two-star current/two-star potential in at SS while I went shopping for a better one. While I was looking for someone better, he became the third-best SS in the league and pretty much stayed there. It happens.

SirMichaelJordan · 02-21-2016, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rjl518

Thank you.

I cant stand it when a 80 plays like a 20.

But then again, i cant stand it when a 20 plays like an 80 either.

Makes it even more difficult to judge a player's future ability sometimes.

I have had 20s that have played very well throughout their entire careers in the majors.

And my scout still says they should be a on a minor league team for life.

It also sounds like they improved the Trade AI.

I have had some issues with that thing.

Sounds like you should have changed you evaluation settings to prefer stats.

PSUColonel · 02-21-2016, 04:30 PM

I had been doing that for a long time...I was playing 40/30/20/10. Also 30/40/20:10...but after an insane amount of testing, I am going much closer to the default and am using 60/20/15/5....I just feel in balances things more. It limits more of those Mark Appel type trades, which can stil happen, but when stats are too hefty, it happens much more often.

rjl518 · 02-21-2016, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirMichaelJordan

Sounds like you should have changed you evaluation settings to prefer stats.

They already are set at that.
Still doesn't matter.
The OOTP engine can be a little finicky.
But, that IS what makes OOTP the best baseball sim around!

SirMichaelJordan · 02-21-2016, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rjl518

They already are set at that.
Still doesn't matter.
The OOTP engine can be a little finicky.
But, that IS what makes OOTP the best baseball sim around!

If a 20 was playing like 80 on those setting then his value would be a 80 would it not?

The scout wouldn't continue to call him a career minor leaguer in this situation.

It was mentioned earlier that individual ratings are more important than overall and there could be less of a gap between a 1* and a 3* player.

PSUColonel · 03-10-2016, 06:45 PM

Curious....has any one ever tried 50/30/20/0 as an AI evaluation? I'm wondering how this might work...but I'm not home right now

DJP53916 · 03-11-2016, 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by progen

Play stats only. Arguments will go back and forth on this until doomsday, but it's the only way to play in my opinion.

If you decide to take the plunge, here's the setup I have for the AI settings. Others can certainly weigh in on this.

Ratings weight - 0
Current year stats - 67
Previous year - 22
2 years ago - 11

Trade difficulty - Hard
Preference - Neutral

Rating Weight - 5
Current Year - 65
Previous Year - 20
2 Years Ago - 10

Trade Difficulty - Average
Preference - Neutral

02-20-2016, 03:32 PM	#1
Hammercraft All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 729	I need some help with how the player ratings work The stars are not in alignment! My problem seems to just be with pitchers at the moment. Hitters seem to show up fine in terms of actual & potential representing what they can do. If anything, they're a little inflated. But all the pitchers in my league seem to be undervalued when the 'stars' potential is calculated. I've got pitchers with great pitch ratings who are valued as garbage. For example, I've got Cole Hamels in great health going 11-5 with a sub-3 ERA, and he's only rated one star. Is this natural? Is there a 'correction' that should be applied, some way to reset the ratings system?

02-20-2016, 03:36 PM	#2
Lukas Berger OOTP Developments Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Nice, Côte d'Azur, France Posts: 21,362	One thing you can do is change your evaluation settings so they take stats into account more than just pure ratings. That would likely help with Hamels. You might also try to check the overall rating by position box and see if you like the results better from using that setting. Or you could just turn the stars off. After all, there are no star ratings in real life! The other advice I'd give is just not to sweat the stars even if you keep them on. They're a very, very rough shorthand estimate of a players skill and value and there's much less difference between say a good 1* player and a 3* player than most people assume there is. They're not really all that important, the ratings and the performance are the main thing. Last edited by Lukas Berger; 02-20-2016 at 03:39 PM.

02-20-2016, 05:31 PM	#5
progen All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,530 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Play stats only. Arguments will go back and forth on this until doomsday, but it's the only way to play in my opinion. If you decide to take the plunge, here's the setup I have for the AI settings. Others can certainly weigh in on this. Ratings weight - 0 Current year stats - 67 Previous year - 22 2 years ago - 11 Trade difficulty - Hard Preference - Neutral Last edited by progen; 02-20-2016 at 05:35 PM.

02-21-2016, 01:37 AM	#12
TGH-Adfabre Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,599	Scouting on or off? Overall determined by Ratings only or AI Eval? If AI Eval what are your settings? Screen shot of Hammels pitching ratings? Need more info. __________________ You mock me, therefore I am My wife

02-20-2016, 04:48 PM	#3
OakDragon Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: San Jose, CA USA Posts: 3,494	Keep in mind they take everything into account, including speed and defense, two things people tend not to care about for pitchers anyway.

02-20-2016, 05:27 PM	#4
Lockdog Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 263	Focus on stats when it comes to evaluating players. Stars can be both frustrating if you have a 1-star player doing really well, or disappointed if a guy's performance does not match his overall or potential.

02-20-2016, 07:11 PM	#7
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 15,817	We've played around with the scouting and evaluation, so 17 should be better for this

02-21-2016, 04:30 PM	#16
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,104	I had been doing that for a long time...I was playing 40/30/20/10. Also 30/40/20:10...but after an insane amount of testing, I am going much closer to the default and am using 60/20/15/5....I just feel in balances things more. It limits more of those Mark Appel type trades, which can stil happen, but when stats are too hefty, it happens much more often.

03-10-2016, 06:45 PM	#19
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,104	Curious....has any one ever tried 50/30/20/0 as an AI evaluation? I'm wondering how this might work...but I'm not home right now