Question about WAR stat in game

ra7c7er · 05-02-2015, 12:23 AM

Players in game can have 0.0 WAR and -0.0 WAR

Whats the difference?

Questdog · 05-02-2015, 12:26 AM

One is a positive number that rounds to 0 and the other is a negative number that rounds to 0.

ra7c7er · 05-02-2015, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Questdog

One is a positive number that rounds to 0 and the other is a negative number that rounds to 0.

Nice answer. I know what the difference is in real life but in OOTP 0 and -0 are two different numbers. If you don't know the answer you don't need to reply.

Perhaps I will rephrase the question for those who need help.

Why does OOTP make a difference when representing WAR, between 0 and -0, in game? And what is the difference in game?

At first I thought it was representing players who had no stats vs. players who had game stats but that's not it. Only players with games played have -0.0 WAR while some players with game stats and any players who haven't played have 0.0.

Questdog · 05-02-2015, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ra7c7er

Nice answer. I know what the difference is in real life but in OOTP 0 and -0 are two different numbers. If you don't know the answer you don't need to reply.

Perhaps I will rephrase the question for those who need help.

Why does OOTP make a difference when representing WAR, between 0 and -0, in game? And what is the difference in game?

Boy, I wish you were in slugging distance.....that IS the difference in game, as far as I know (though being a moron, maybe I should not speak). If a player's WAR computes to a negative number that rounds to 0, it is represented by a -0.0, so you will know that it is below 0.

This is the rudest anyone has ever been to me on these boards (and that includes Wolf). And after I helped you with issues via PM, to boot!

Even if my answer was (is) idiotic, there is no need for that level of rudeness.

ra7c7er · 05-02-2015, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Questdog

Boy, I wish you were in slugging distance.....that IS the difference in game, as far as I know (though being a moron, maybe I should not speak). If a player's WAR computes to a negative number that rounds to 0, it is represented by a -0.0, so you will know that it is below 0.

This is the rudest anyone has ever been to me on these boards (and that includes Wolf). And after I helped you with issues via PM, to boot!

Even if my answer was (is) idiotic, there is no need for that level of rudeness.

You're right that was rude I apologize.

And you did help me and I thank you for that. BTW without the FA starting issue retirement vs. incoming players isn't as bad. Their is still a mass retirement right at three years. (still have over 300 players retired after 3 years) But it stabilizes after that and the FA pool builds back up.

As for the WAR thing. It doesn't make any sense that the game would work like this

0.01
0.0
-0.0
-0.01

That is all I was asking. Why does the game distinguish between a negative zero and a "positive" zero.

Questdog · 05-02-2015, 02:54 PM

Okay, I think (after my anger has subsided) that you misunderstood my original answer and thought I was being a smart aleck, maybe.

But I make the distinction clear in my angry rebuttal.

The sign (-/+) is only to let you know on which side of zero the player's WAR was before it was rounded to zero. Therefore a player with an unsigned zero was either at zero or above before rounding and a player with a negative zero was below replacement level before getting rounded up to 0 or replacement level.

Also, I believe the rounding is only for display purposes and the actual WAR value stored for a player with -0.0 WAR is a negative number.

Apology accepted.

HoustonGM · 05-05-2015, 02:39 PM

Judging from the screenshot, I think the answer might be simpler than that. All the "0" figures belong to players with 0 plate appearances. All the players with at least 1 plate appearance have "-0" (indicating a very small figure that rounds to 0). Some of the players, for example Rob West, have stats that shouldn't come out to negative WAR but could presumably be a small enough positive figure to be rounded to 0, yet still show as -0, so I don't think it's a matter of which side of 0 the figure falls on. "0" means literally zero - no WAR produced at all either positive or negative - and "-0" means a small decimal value that rounds to 0.

If you look at OPS+, you'll notice that for players without any playing time it's 100, but it shows as -100 for the two players with 0 plate appearances but with games played. This further indicates to me that whether or not a negative sign is displayed depends on whether or not the player has played (although I don't know why OPS+ would be tied to games, while hitter WAR would be tied to plate appearances).

Questdog · 05-05-2015, 03:44 PM

After investigating this further, I am pretty sure that I am right: -0.0 WAR is a negative number that rounds to 0.

They also sort based on the internal number stored, which goes to at least 4 digits to the right of the decimal.

05-02-2015, 12:23 AM	#1
ra7c7er All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 1,098	Question about WAR stat in game Players in game can have 0.0 WAR and -0.0 WAR Whats the difference?

05-02-2015, 12:26 AM	#2
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142	One is a positive number that rounds to 0 and the other is a negative number that rounds to 0.

05-02-2015, 02:54 PM	#6
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142	Okay, I think (after my anger has subsided) that you misunderstood my original answer and thought I was being a smart aleck, maybe. But I make the distinction clear in my angry rebuttal. The sign (-/+) is only to let you know on which side of zero the player's WAR was before it was rounded to zero. Therefore a player with an unsigned zero was either at zero or above before rounding and a player with a negative zero was below replacement level before getting rounded up to 0 or replacement level. Also, I believe the rounding is only for display purposes and the actual WAR value stored for a player with -0.0 WAR is a negative number. Apology accepted.

05-05-2015, 02:39 PM	#7
HoustonGM Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 448	Judging from the screenshot, I think the answer might be simpler than that. All the "0" figures belong to players with 0 plate appearances. All the players with at least 1 plate appearance have "-0" (indicating a very small figure that rounds to 0). Some of the players, for example Rob West, have stats that shouldn't come out to negative WAR but could presumably be a small enough positive figure to be rounded to 0, yet still show as -0, so I don't think it's a matter of which side of 0 the figure falls on. "0" means literally zero - no WAR produced at all either positive or negative - and "-0" means a small decimal value that rounds to 0. If you look at OPS+, you'll notice that for players without any playing time it's 100, but it shows as -100 for the two players with 0 plate appearances but with games played. This further indicates to me that whether or not a negative sign is displayed depends on whether or not the player has played (although I don't know why OPS+ would be tied to games, while hitter WAR would be tied to plate appearances).

05-05-2015, 03:44 PM	#8
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142	After investigating this further, I am pretty sure that I am right: -0.0 WAR is a negative number that rounds to 0. They also sort based on the internal number stored, which goes to at least 4 digits to the right of the decimal.