Split Season Format playoffs

[PSUColonel]

What happens in the case of a tie, or if the same team wins the division for both halves of the season?

[Le Grande Orange]

I'm not certain. I've long complained about the short shrift the split-season format has gotten in OOTP considering its degree of prevalence in real life, but as yet such complaints have largely fallen on deaf ears. Consequently we're stuck with the awfully rudimentary implementation of the format seen at present.

(Real-life tie-breaking in split-season leagues varies. Most leagues will take a wild card from the division in the case of a club winning both halves, but in years past a team winning both halves has gotten a bye through the first round. In some cases the club winning both halves gets an advantage in its playoff round; in the Southern League, for example, such a double winner gets four games out of five at home in the best-of-five first round series. Such finesse, I'm afraid, is well outside OOTP's capabilities currently, much to my annoyance.)

[megamanmatt]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

I'm not certain. I've long complained about the short shrift the split-season format has gotten in OOTP considering its degree of prevalence in real life, but as yet such complaints have largely fallen on deaf ears. Consequently we're stuck with the awfully rudimentary implementation of the format seen at present.

(Real-life tie-breaking in split-season leagues varies. Most leagues will take a wild card from the division in the case of a club winning both halves, but in years past a team winning both halves has gotten a bye through the first round. In some cases the club winning both halves gets an advantage in its playoff round; in the Southern League, for example, such a double winner gets four games out of five at home in the best-of-five first round series. Such finesse, I'm afraid, is well outside OOTP's capabilities currently, much to my annoyance.)

Wow.... you actually managed a 2 paragraph response that in NO WAY answered the question. That's just amazing.

[Orioles1966]

I mess with league schedules(including split season leagues) so it will more than likely have teams not playing the same amount of games.

What about rain outs that can't be made up until the end of the regular season,while the first half season ends without the teams playing the make-up game?

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by megamanmatt

Wow.... you actually managed a 2 paragraph response that in NO WAY answered the question. That's just amazing.

And neither does your post.

I, at least, have provided information that there are long-standing problems with the very format PSUColonel is attempting to use which may well diminish his enjoyment of the feature. Consequently, he may opt to not use the feature at all as a result.

You may be fine with certain core realism aspects being less than optimal, but I'm not and I will vociferously point out the shortcomings. Don't like it? Don't read my posts. Want to complain about it? Go ahead. I will return fire and then some.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by Orioles1966

What about rain outs that can't be made up until the end of the regular season,while the first half season ends without the teams playing the make-up game?

I attempted to point out such considerations during beta, but I don't think any attention was paid to this particularl aspect so who knows how OOTP handles it. Almost no attention has been paid to the split-season format since it was introduced into OOTP many versions ago. Certain shortcomings continue to exist in the format's implementation. It may be advisable to simply not use it until such time as some of the shortcomings receive some attention.

[megamanmatt]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

You may be fine with certain core realism aspects being less than optimal, but I'm not and I will vociferously point out the shortcomings. Don't like it? Don't read my posts. Want to complain about it? Go ahead. I will return fire and then some.

That is fair. You may be fine with a game that is less stable and less enjoyable overall in the name of realism, but I'm not and will continue harangue you when you advocate for it.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by megamanmatt

That is fair. You may be fine with a game that is less stable and less enjoyable overall in the name of realism...

False equivalency. Getting core details right does not mean a less stable product. It simply means getting core details right. Indeed, without proper consideration given to how new features will impact existing features (i.e. postponed games and how split-season leagues interact with them) instability will be increased, not decreased.

The split-season format has been a part of OOTP for at least NINE versions of the game now, possibly ten (it was introduced in either OOTP 2007 or OOTP 2006). And throughout all those nine-plus versions there have been NO improvements made to it. None. More than enough versions for small, gradual improvements to have been made in each version, but nothing has been done. Rather like associations, it's a half- or even quarter-implemented feature that has been left to wither on the vine. And many, including you it seems, are content with half- or quarter-implemented features that are many versions old being left to wither on the vine as long as they aren't something you're interested in.

Apparently it's a radical proposition to advocate for already implemented features to actually get gradually improved from one version to the next.

It would seem if a feature doesn't happen to fit your particular narrow little wish list you're happy to dump all over it. Tell you what, I won't crap all over the features you want to see improved from one OOTP version to the next if you don't crap all over mine.

[megamanmatt]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Tell you what, I won't crap all over the features you want to see improved from one OOTP version to the next if you don't crap all over mine.

Sounds great. When do you plan on starting that?

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by megamanmatt

Sounds great. When do you plan on starting that?

Please provide an example of a feature for which you advocated that I crapped all over. Or are you just being a jackass for the sake of being one?

ETA: Upon further reflection, you are indeed just being an insufferable jerk because you can, so welcome to Ignore. (Hey, the quality of discussion round here just went up a few notches with that act.)

[megamanmatt]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

(Hey, the quality of discussion round here just went up a few notches with that act.)

Of course it did. You love to hear yourself talk so one less person means more you.

[CommishJoe]

Ok, enough. This forum needs to be a place where people are comfortable to come and ask questions without being made to feel stupid. If you have a problem with someone, move it to PM and get it off the board.

Keep all future posts to answering the OP's question.

Thank you

[David Watts]

Wow, when did the pretty yellow and red cards get adopted? Never seen those before.

[MorseMoose]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Wow, when did the pretty yellow and red cards get adopted? Never seen those before.

Honestly, I think it's been like 6-7 years.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by MorseMoose

Honestly, I think it's been like 6-7 years.

Man, I never noticed. I guess since my days of getting infractions ended roughly 6 or 7 years ago I didn't pay it any attention.

[kryakyu12]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

What happens in the case of a tie, or if the same team wins the division for both halves of the season?

I am currently running a solo league with two single-division subleagues... I think that what happened in the case of a single team winning both halves of the split-season the overall second-place team was the 'wildcard'. Hope this answers at least part of your question.

Thanks,
-kr-

[r0nster]

This is how it goes for CLASS A lower (Midwest League) for split season to make playoffs work.............

Playoff Procedures

Midwest League playoff procedures

QUALIFYING
First-half qualifiers (4)

• 1. Team finishing in first place in the Western Division ("Western First-Half Champion")
• 2. Team finishing in first place in the Eastern Division ("Eastern First-Half Champion")
• 3. Team finishing in second place in the Western Division ("Western First-Half Wild Card")
• 4. Team finishing in second place in the Eastern Division ("Eastern First-Half Wild Card")

Second-half qualifiers (4)

• 1. Team finishing in first place in the Western Division ("Western Second-Half Champion")
• 2. Team finishing in first place in the Eastern Division ("Eastern Second-Half Champion")
• 3. Team finishing in second place in the Western Division ("Western Second-Half Wild Card")
• 4. Team finishing in second place in the Eastern Division ("Eastern Second-Half Wild Card")
• **If the first-place team in the second half has already qualified as a first-half entrant (either as Champion or Wild Card), then the team finishing in second place in the second half shall qualify as the "Second-Half Champion."
• **If the second place team in the second half has already qualified (as a First-Half Champion or Wild Card or Second-Half Champion) then the team finishing in third place in the second half shall qualify as the "Second-Half Wild Card."
• **If the third place team in the second half has already qualified (as a First-Half Champion or Wild Card), then the team finishing in fourth place in the second half shall qualify as the "Second-Half Wild Card."

SEEDING
Round 1 - Quarterfinal - Best-of-3
(Team qualifying in the first half - bolded - has the option to host Game 1 or Games 2 & 3)
Series #1 - Eastern First-Half Champion vs. Eastern Second-Half Wild Card
Series #2 - Eastern First-Half Wild Card vs. Eastern Second-Half Champion
Series #3 - Western First-Half Champion vs. Western Second-Half Wild Card
Series #4 - Western First-Half Wild Card vs. Western Second-Half Champion

Round 2 - Division Championships - Best-of-3
(Team with the best overall full-season record in each series has the option to host Game 1 or Games 2 & 3)


Series #5 - (Eastern Division Championship) - Series #1 Winner vs. Series #2 Winner
Series #6 - (Western Division Championship) - Series #3 Winner vs. Series #4 Winner

Round 3 - League Championship - Best-of-5
(Western Division Champion hosts Games 1 & 2 and Eastern Division Champion hosts games 3, 4 & 5 in even-numbered years. Eastern Division Champion hosts Games 1 & 2 and Western Division Champion hosts games 3, 4 & 5 in odd-numbered years.)

Series #7 - Series #5 Winner (Western Division Champion) vs. Series #6 Winner (Eastern Division Champion)


TIEBREAKERS
Tie involving two teams: 1) Best record in head-to-head meetings; 2) best run differential in head-to-head meetings; 3) winner of final meeting of the season between the clubs.
Tie involving more than two teams: 1) Best winning percentage in games involving tied teams for the full season; 2) best run differential in games involving tied teams for the full season; 3) best winning percentage in second-half games involving tied teams; 4) best run differential in second-half games only in games involving tied teams.

CLINCH PLAYOFF SPOTBefore announcing you have clinched a playoff spot, please check with the Midwest League office to review the numbers and all possible scenarios.

[Le Grande Orange]

The Midwest League playoffs are currently impossible to recreate in OOTP. (So too are the California League playoffs.)

One could come closer by changing those leagues to a straight season and then taking the top four clubs in each division in the Midwest League (and top three in each division in the California League). That approach, at least, would get the proper number of teams into the post-season for each minor league.

[Hankyu Braves]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

What happens in the case of a tie, or if the same team wins the division for both halves of the season?

If a team wins both halves, the team ranked #2 in the standings gets to the playoffs.

What gets me, with the way the standings are displayed, is that sometimes the team with the highest number of wins overall for the season appears on top of the standings although it may not win either half and, therefore, be eliminated from the playoffs.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by Hankyu Braves

What gets me, with the way the standings are displayed, is that sometimes the team with the highest number of wins overall for the season appears on top of the standings although it may not win either half and, therefore, be eliminated from the playoffs.

Yes, there is STILL no way to switch between showing the first half, second half, or overall standings for a split-season league. That's been the case since the split-season format was first introduced into OOTP many versions ago. I've suggested numerous times for inclusion of such an obvious and important function for split-season leagues, but to date it has not been done.