Any improvements to rehab assignments??

[Rockfan616]

Hey all,

Just one question, instead of sending a player coming off an injury just to AAA for a rehab assignment...in OOTP16 can we send him to any level of the minors we want (like say, a couple of games in AA and then a couple in AAA)?? I'm just curious, it's interesting that in 15 and earlier versions you could only send them to AAA and nowhere else. Any improvements to this at all?? Thanks in advance.

[mvm04]

Dont believe this is correct. Usually when you send someone on a rehab assignment they go to AAA but youre free to move them about the minors after that

[TomVeal]

Originally Posted by mvm04

Dont believe this is correct. Usually when you send someone on a rehab assignment they go to AAA but youre free to move them about the minors after that

But does it still count as a rehab assignment rather than a demotion?

[Le Grande Orange]

I still find it problematic that rehab assignment in OOTP work the opposite to the way they work in real life. In the game, the player comes off the DL and can then be sent on the rehab assignment; in real life the player stays on the DL while on the rehab assignment and does not come off the DL until fully ready to play.

[frangipard]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

I still find it problematic that rehab assignment in OOTP work the opposite to the way they work in real life. In the game, the player comes off the DL and can then be sent on the rehab assignment; in real life the player stays on the DL while on the rehab assignment and does not come off the DL until fully ready to play.

They've talked several times that it's extremely difficult programming-wise to have a player "belong" in two places at once: e.g. under contract to this team but playing for that team (such as in the fall/winter leagues). I imagine its the same deal.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by frangipard

They've talked several times that it's extremely difficult programming-wise to have a player "belong" in two places at once: e.g. under contract to this team but playing for that team (such as in the fall/winter leagues). I imagine its the same deal.

That suggest to me OOTP's internal code structure is in need of a rewrite before too long. The last time it was rebuilt was for OOTP 2006, which means OOTP 16 is the tenth version under that structure. That compares to only six versions under the original structure (seven, if you count OOTP 6.5 as a separate iteration).

[Cryomaniac]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

That suggest to me OOTP's internal code structure is in need of a rewrite before too long. The last time it was rebuilt was for OOTP 2006, which means OOTP 16 is the tenth version under that structure. That compares to only six versions under the original structure (seven, if you count OOTP 6.5 as a separate iteration).

The thing is that rewriting the code would be a s-load of work, so would take more than one development cycle, which leaves you a choice of either not releasing a game that year or releasing a version with slightly less new features because you split the development between the new engine and the old one.

Eg: if they were to do it after this version you either have OOTP 17 released in 2017 with the entirely new code structure, or you have a slightly less awesome OOTP 17 in 2016 with fewer new things / fewer fixes / etc because they are also working on what then becomes OOTP 18 at the same time.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

The thing is that rewriting the code would be a s-load of work, so would take more than one development cycle, which leaves you a choice of either not releasing a game that year or releasing a version with slightly less new features because you split the development between the new engine and the old one.

Eg: if they were to do it after this version you either have OOTP 17 released in 2017 with the entirely new code structure, or you have a slightly less awesome OOTP 17 in 2016 with fewer new things / fewer fixes / etc because they are also working on what then becomes OOTP 18 at the same time.

This is true, but at some point (as with OOTP &) Markus did have to do this, and I am sure at some point it will again become a necessity.

[Cryomaniac]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

This is true, but at some point (as with OOTP &) Markus did have to do this, and I am sure at some point it will again become a necessity.

Indeed. It's a matter of working out when and how to do it so as to cause the least possible problems.

[frangipard]

And more to the point, I can think of about twenty fixes that are much more pressing. AFICT, it's only going to be an issue for people that have roster limits on their minor-league teams, which is going to be a minority. Things like the poor batting-order AI affect everyone.

The inability to make Fall/Winter/WBC teams bums out a lot of people, and I suspect they'll be getting around to that sooner or later, so they may be able to do it then.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by frangipard

And more to the point, I can think of about twenty fixes that are much more pressing. AFICT, it's only going to be an issue for people that have roster limits on their minor-league teams, which is going to be a minority.

Leaving aside the matter of priorities, I would just add that there are a number of smallish items that can only be done in OOTP now with great difficulty, or not at all, due to the game's current internal structure.

[Kobeck]

Originally Posted by frangipard

They've talked several times that it's extremely difficult programming-wise to have a player "belong" in two places at once: e.g. under contract to this team but playing for that team (such as in the fall/winter leagues). I imagine its the same deal.

Although I believe what you say is true


I still find it hard to believe a temporary team could not be added along with a permanent one.

[RchW]

I think that a lot of people don't understand product development. It's easy to claim something is overdue when you have no skin in the game. When your groceries are bought with the income, hard decisions must be made,

[Honorable_Pawn]

Originally Posted by RchW

I think that a lot of people don't understand product development. It's easy to claim something is overdue when you have no skin in the game. When your groceries are bought with the income, hard decisions must be made,

I get that.

I'm very happy with the game and I'm looking forward to March.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by RchW

I think that a lot of people don't understand product development. It's easy to claim something is overdue when you have no skin in the game. When your groceries are bought with the income, hard decisions must be made,

No doubt....but eventually in order to take the next. Step (technology changes) you do have to make a few sacrifices. Not saying this is even in the near future...I think OOTP needs to get to a point where it makes sense financially first,

[RchW]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

No doubt....but eventually in order to take the next. Step (technology changes) you do have to make a few sacrifices. Not saying this is even in the near future...I think OOTP needs to get to a point where it makes sense financially first,

Seriously.

Can you seriously tell me that not putting a player in AA ball for rehab affects the quality of the game? I try, I really try to get this but in the end it just seems like my 4 year old holding her breath and her mother and I walking away laughing. There is no way that putting a guy in AAA will in any real way affect the integrity of the game.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by RchW

Can you seriously tell me that not putting a player in AA ball for rehab affects the quality of the game? I try, I really try to get this but in the end it just seems like my 4 year old holding her breath and her mother and I walking away laughing. There is no way that putting a guy in AAA will in any real way affect the integrity of the game.

Well, given that real-life clubs can make such decisions, it would seem there are legitimate reasons or else major league clubs would only use Triple-A. (Though it may be some of those reasons are more logistical in nature, such as the physical proximity of the affiliate, rather than something like tailoring the level of opposition to the recovering player.)

In terms of players coming off the DL and then going on a rehab assignment, there have been issues with that in the past in OOTP such as when a player on a rehab assignment gets injured again. In real life such an occurrence isn't a problem since the player never left the DL.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by RchW

Seriously.

Can you seriously tell me that not putting a player in AA ball for rehab affects the quality of the game? I try, I really try to get this but in the end it just seems like my 4 year old holding her breath and her mother and I walking away laughing. There is no way that putting a guy in AAA will in any real way affect the integrity of the game.

No, it's other things like winter and fall league also..but really, all I am saying is that eventually more and more things will be possible in the future...this is true of anything in life.

[frangipard]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Well, given that real-life clubs can make such decisions, it would seem there are legitimate reasons or else major league clubs would only use Triple-A. (Though it may be some of those reasons are more logistical in nature, such as the physical proximity of the affiliate, rather than something like tailoring the level of opposition to the recovering player.)

Yes, it often is the closest one: the major-league FO can get over there and check him out if needed, and the player will be close by when the OK is given.

Sometimes it may be "the affiliate where the roving instructor is based this month," "the affiliate where we don't have any pitching prospects, and so we don't care about disrupting the rotation," "the affiliate near the ballplayer's home/private trainer," or -- especially with muscle-based injuries -- "the affiliate with the warmest weather."

[conception]

It seems pretty silly to me that people think the code needs rewritten for such minor things as how the game treats a rehab assignment and whether or not it can add a 26th man for a double header.

I'm thinking I'd like a game that does everything well but has a minor issue with a rehab assignment than a game that does rehab assignments well and is worse elsewhere.