Disconnect in player evaluation vs Qualifying offer and the AI fails arithmetic

RchW · 11-11-2014, 09:59 PM

Hopefully the QO system gets a makeover in v16.

In real life pending FA do not take QO. This is now the third offseason of the new CBA IRL and no QO has been accepted. Teams in real life are very choosy about making QO. OOTP should attempt to replicate this. Players should always look to test the market and teams should not make QO to any but the best pending FA.

In OOTP too many players take the QO and too many teams make QO's to marginal players for bizarre reasons. In my latest season 11 players took the QO. In almost all cases the AI reasoning is puzzling ie it is strange behavior based on both player AI and team AI.

For player AI the flaw is an inconsistency between player extension negotiations focused on multi-year contracts and then taking a 1 year $16M contract while in their 30's. Passing up $35M-$60M at a lower AAV and taking the way higher risk of a 1 year contract makes no sense. No concept of the FA market or security in exchange for money seems to exist in the player behavior. I have recorded numerous instances where a player would not consider a one year or a 2-year contract during negotiations but takes a QO.

For team AI the flaw shows as an inconsistent application of player value to the team. Sometimes the AI seems to know player value and other times it seemingly has no clue. For example a declining player at 33 coming off a $16M salary was signed to a 1 yr $5.5M extension at age 34. This appeared right based on the players performance. Inexplicably the AI seemed to forget this apparent value after the season and made a $16M QO to the now 35 year old $5M player barely league average.

In another case the AI voided the last year of a contract at $16.2M for a 35 year old SS with injury issues and paid a $2.4M buyout. Inexplicably again they made the QO and so paid $18.4M for a player they had correctly determined was not worth $16.2M.

Does the AI actually know the value of the QO? These examples suggest it does not.

In addition there are bugs where traded players are compensation eligible and where FA signings in the offseason are not eligible when they should be.

11-11-2014, 09:59 PM	#1
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	Disconnect in player evaluation vs Qualifying offer and the AI fails arithmetic Hopefully the QO system gets a makeover in v16. In real life pending FA do not take QO. This is now the third offseason of the new CBA IRL and no QO has been accepted. Teams in real life are very choosy about making QO. OOTP should attempt to replicate this. Players should always look to test the market and teams should not make QO to any but the best pending FA. In OOTP too many players take the QO and too many teams make QO's to marginal players for bizarre reasons. In my latest season 11 players took the QO. In almost all cases the AI reasoning is puzzling ie it is strange behavior based on both player AI and team AI. For player AI the flaw is an inconsistency between player extension negotiations focused on multi-year contracts and then taking a 1 year $16M contract while in their 30's. Passing up $35M-$60M at a lower AAV and taking the way higher risk of a 1 year contract makes no sense. No concept of the FA market or security in exchange for money seems to exist in the player behavior. I have recorded numerous instances where a player would not consider a one year or a 2-year contract during negotiations but takes a QO. For team AI the flaw shows as an inconsistent application of player value to the team. Sometimes the AI seems to know player value and other times it seemingly has no clue. For example a declining player at 33 coming off a $16M salary was signed to a 1 yr $5.5M extension at age 34. This appeared right based on the players performance. Inexplicably the AI seemed to forget this apparent value after the season and made a $16M QO to the now 35 year old $5M player barely league average. In another case the AI voided the last year of a contract at $16.2M for a 35 year old SS with injury issues and paid a $2.4M buyout. Inexplicably again they made the QO and so paid $18.4M for a player they had correctly determined was not worth $16.2M. Does the AI actually know the value of the QO? These examples suggest it does not. In addition there are bugs where traded players are compensation eligible and where FA signings in the offseason are not eligible when they should be. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit