Do extension demands fluctuate based on in-season performance?

ToTheBackstop · 08-23-2014, 01:01 AM

One of my team's best hitters is in the final year of his contract. For the first six weeks of the season, he was in a terrible slump, and when he pinged me to discuss a possible contract extension, I noted his asking price -- a one year, $10m deal -- and put negotiations on the backburner.

Since then, he's been red hot, driving up his stats such that he's now broaching the tail end of the seasonal leaderboards, and winning a player of the Week prize in the process. Assuming that his asking price has gone up accordingly, I checked on his extension demand, and he's still asking for a one year, $10m deal.

I'm wondering -- in OOTP, do initial extension demands vary based on the player's in-season performance, or are they fixed throughout the season? Is it possible to 'buy low' (i.e. negotiate a favorable deal when the player is underperforming, with the player's asking price dropping due to lower anticipated market demand), or is he always going to be asking for initial deal X no matter how well or poorly he's doing during the season to date?

Thanks!

tjw4 · 08-23-2014, 08:20 AM

I have seen them change as the season goes on, I have only ever seen them go down if the players ratings remain the same or get worse. I have only seen them go up if the players ratings improve, example if he is young you are better off buying out his arbitration years at the start of the season before he develops more. If he is an older player there is no rush to sign him, and when the season rolls over and new budgets are announced, typically the older players demands have skyrockets just before UFA.

SirMichaelJordan · 08-23-2014, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ToTheBackstop

One of my team's best hitters is in the final year of his contract. For the first six weeks of the season, he was in a terrible slump, and when he pinged me to discuss a possible contract extension, I noted his asking price -- a one year, $10m deal -- and put negotiations on the backburner.

Since then, he's been red hot, driving up his stats such that he's now broaching the tail end of the seasonal leaderboards, and winning a player of the Week prize in the process. Assuming that his asking price has gone up accordingly, I checked on his extension demand, and he's still asking for a one year, $10m deal.

I'm wondering -- in OOTP, do initial extension demands vary based on the player's in-season performance, or are they fixed throughout the season? Is it possible to 'buy low' (i.e. negotiate a favorable deal when the player is underperforming, with the player's asking price dropping due to lower anticipated market demand), or is he always going to be asking for initial deal X no matter how well or poorly he's doing during the season to date?

Thanks!

If you want stats to matter (In season performance) than change the AI Evaluation to include stats (or give them more weight) into the OVR calculation otherwise decisions will be based only on ratings. So no matter what numbers that guy is putting up, my best guess is that he will ask for the same amount of money unless his ratings improve or decline.

Out of the Park Baseball Manual

beezer2434 · 08-23-2014, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SirMichaelJordan

If you want stats to matter (In season performance) than change the AI Evaluation to include stats (or give them more weight) into the OVR calculation otherwise decisions will be based only on ratings. So no matter what numbers that guy is putting up, my best guess is that he will ask for the same amount of money unless his ratings improve or decline.

Out of the Park Baseball Manual

Wow I dont know how I missed this in the options, thanks!

SirMichaelJordan · 08-23-2014, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by beezer2434

Wow I dont know how I missed this in the options, thanks!

Be sure to turn it on in the global setup screen.

"OVR based on AI evaluation, not pure ratings"

make sure that option is checked.

Out of the Park Baseball Manual

BIG17EASY · 08-23-2014, 10:32 AM

Yes, in-season performance absolutely affects extension demands. It's been discussed before and verified. As an example, I'm in 2015 with the Mets and Daniel Murphy raised his batting average nearly 50 points over three weeks in early May. He went from wanting a three-year deal worth roughly $30 million (when he was hitting around .230) to wanting eight years at a total of almost $110 million. How often it fluctuates, I can't say, but that 8/110 demand came after a string of four straight multi-hit games that coincided with the tail end of a 9-1 stretch for the team. If he goes 0-for-4 in the next game, I'll try to remember to see if his demand changes.

tjw4 · 08-24-2014, 05:18 AM

I think it is more a matter of his morale changing..on the performance portion of morale...if hes playing bad..it lowers the demands..if hes playing good..it goes up..and playing bad could mean his ratings went down....this is an assumption but that's how ive seen it work over the years.

BIG17EASY · 08-24-2014, 07:02 AM

FYI, Daniel Murphy is now seven for his last 12 with two doubles, and his demand has increased to a ridiculous nine years, $130 million.

Drstrangelove · 08-25-2014, 02:42 AM

I've seen it increase or decrease due to:

1) changing how much cash teams can carry
2) changing team ticket prices
3) how much money teams have left over for signing free agents
4) how well the player is playing (if player ratings use at least some stats)
5) how well the player is rated (if ratings are not 100% stat based)
6) changing the trade difficulty between hard and normal (for a human controlled team)

Presumably there are other factors as well.

08-23-2014, 01:01 AM	#1
ToTheBackstop Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 151	Do extension demands fluctuate based on in-season performance? One of my team's best hitters is in the final year of his contract. For the first six weeks of the season, he was in a terrible slump, and when he pinged me to discuss a possible contract extension, I noted his asking price -- a one year, $10m deal -- and put negotiations on the backburner. Since then, he's been red hot, driving up his stats such that he's now broaching the tail end of the seasonal leaderboards, and winning a player of the Week prize in the process. Assuming that his asking price has gone up accordingly, I checked on his extension demand, and he's still asking for a one year, $10m deal. I'm wondering -- in OOTP, do initial extension demands vary based on the player's in-season performance, or are they fixed throughout the season? Is it possible to 'buy low' (i.e. negotiate a favorable deal when the player is underperforming, with the player's asking price dropping due to lower anticipated market demand), or is he always going to be asking for initial deal X no matter how well or poorly he's doing during the season to date? Thanks!

08-23-2014, 10:32 AM	#6
BIG17EASY Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,291	Yes, in-season performance absolutely affects extension demands. It's been discussed before and verified. As an example, I'm in 2015 with the Mets and Daniel Murphy raised his batting average nearly 50 points over three weeks in early May. He went from wanting a three-year deal worth roughly $30 million (when he was hitting around .230) to wanting eight years at a total of almost $110 million. How often it fluctuates, I can't say, but that 8/110 demand came after a string of four straight multi-hit games that coincided with the tail end of a 9-1 stretch for the team. If he goes 0-for-4 in the next game, I'll try to remember to see if his demand changes. Last edited by BIG17EASY; 08-23-2014 at 10:35 AM.

08-25-2014, 02:42 AM	#9
Drstrangelove Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 346	I've seen it increase or decrease due to: 1) changing how much cash teams can carry 2) changing team ticket prices 3) how much money teams have left over for signing free agents 4) how well the player is playing (if player ratings use at least some stats) 5) how well the player is rated (if ratings are not 100% stat based) 6) changing the trade difficulty between hard and normal (for a human controlled team) Presumably there are other factors as well. Last edited by Drstrangelove; 08-25-2014 at 02:43 AM.

08-23-2014, 08:20 AM	#2
tjw4 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 35	I have seen them change as the season goes on, I have only ever seen them go down if the players ratings remain the same or get worse. I have only seen them go up if the players ratings improve, example if he is young you are better off buying out his arbitration years at the start of the season before he develops more. If he is an older player there is no rush to sign him, and when the season rolls over and new budgets are announced, typically the older players demands have skyrockets just before UFA.

08-24-2014, 05:18 AM	#7
tjw4 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 35	I think it is more a matter of his morale changing..on the performance portion of morale...if hes playing bad..it lowers the demands..if hes playing good..it goes up..and playing bad could mean his ratings went down....this is an assumption but that's how ive seen it work over the years.

08-24-2014, 07:02 AM	#8
BIG17EASY Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,291	FYI, Daniel Murphy is now seven for his last 12 with two doubles, and his demand has increased to a ridiculous nine years, $130 million.