Top Prospects

[munstermash]

Have you seen where one position dominates the top prospect list?

The top 25 or so prospects that are hitters in my league are all catchers.

[da commish]

I have had this happen, too. Once it was catchers, another time 1B. It was the strangest looking list. I can't recall if I had changed the player ratings settings from the default settings (I had played around with them before) so I don't know if that's what caused it.

[munstermash]

I made a backup and simmed a few years ahead and it seems to be back to normal.

Not sure why it would have made so many catchers.

[jyanksmsu]

I'm actually having this same exact problem as you. OOTP 15 is only time I've encountered this. All the top hitting prospects are shortstops. Over time it corrects itself youre saying?

[da commish]

I'm in the year 2024 of a MLB league that started in 2014. The last 3 years of top prospects as of opening day included:
2024 - 52 batters of which 33 were 1B
2023 - 54 batters of which 37 were C
2022 - 51 batters of which 29 were C and 18 were 1B
2021 and prior seem pretty normal.

Those last 3 years seem kinda out of norm.

[RomanCaesar]

I am having this same problem. 1989 file and seemingly every catching prospect is on the top 100 hitters while the few hitters well down the list are Griffey and players of that type. I have run rescout, i have toggled the scouting system and all that stuff without luck.

[nebradska]

This occurred in an online league, as well.

[battists]

Someone should post this as a bug, and preferably have your league files available (at a point where the list looks weird) for Markus to look at...

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by battists

Someone should post this as a bug, and preferably have your league files available (at a point where the list looks weird) for Markus to look at...

I can PT it, but I know Markus will want league files and I can't provide those since I've never seen this.

So yeah, if this is happening to you save your league and ftp the .dat files to OOTP, then post in the bug thread.

[RchW]

I've got hundreds of seasons 15 or so in v15 that show nothing like that. I get a good mix with maybe one or two positions looking high from time to time but all positions well represented. Keep in mind that lack of demand for one position and high demand for others can skew the prospect list. Two points.

• Certain players may lose their prospect status by playing a certain amount say due to injury and then being returned to the minors. Since they no longer appear on prospect lists one may see a "false" list high in positions that are not in demand.
  
• Similarly if there is a glut of solid MLB type catchers for example you may see good catching prospects back up in the minor leagues because they are blocked. I don't know about you guys but I pick up or draft young catchers all the time just for defense and occasionally one or two get a random boost. If there is no where to go they stay on the list

When searching look for players who should be on the list but may have played their way off. If your list has a lot of older 24-25 year old players then it means the 22-23 year olds may have played their way off.

Is it tied to a certain specific league type perhaps? I'd like to see more compelling data.

[RomanCaesar]

I have exported this league from ootp 13 a few months ago. I have been working on it for a long ago and was about to start a league with it. While double checking the pages i noticed the catchers were dominating the top 100 hitters and did a search to see if anyone else had this issue. I came upon this thread.

[RomanCaesar]

This is the top 100 prospects from the same file in OOTP 14. I have edited ratings between exporting from 14 into 15, but by and large the ratings match the hitting prospect order you might expect, unlike the ootp 15 prospect order of many mediocre catching prospects ahead of Bagwell, Griffey, Thomas and company.

[RchW]

Can you show a ratings list in v14 of the catchers that show up in v15. Help me understand exactly what edits you did and to what players in the transition? Do you have an unedited top prospects list in v15.

At first look it certainly doesn't seem like a top prospects bug but some ratings issue in the conversion process. There is no way to tell unless we see the ratings sans edits both before and after league conversion.

The other possibility is the new setting in v15 for relative ratings. Could that be the problem. What about scouting? Is it on and if so is it exactly the same settings as v14. What about AI evaluation?

[RomanCaesar]

In ootp 13 i started this file, i did many of my edits on that file. I bought ootp 14 and did some edits before the transfer to ootp 15. I have done too many edits between the three versions to list. I was redoing everything from a players pitches, to entering real contract totals, to entering real GB%. Specifics of each edit, as every single player as been edited in some manner.

I have both scouting and coaching turned off. On an early backup of the conversion to OOTP 15 i am seeing similar top 100 list for hitting. I cannot state if its the original conversion backup or not. I can only state that its an early backup since the conversion. The picture below is from that file. I have these files if you have a place i can send them. Might be easier for you do find what you are looking for. I am importing from ootp 14 to ootp 15 right now to see if anything is different.

Update- i did the conversion from ootp 14 to ootp 15 and having the same top 100 hitting prospects issue i am having on the current file. So does appear to be something in the conversion that changed. Can you think of anyway to correct this? Or am I just SOL on getting this corrected?

[Deron]

Same problem here. I do have a support ticket open and I am hoping they will be able to fix this issue.

I was able to work around the issue by downgrading to version15.3.11 and the re-generating the top 100 prospects by turning it to dynamic automatic. If you upgrade to the latest patch it will break again whenever the top 100 prospect list is generated again.

[korme]

The game needs to be able to generate catchers with the ability to play corner OF, 3B/1B or in the rare Biggio case 2B. This has been a known issue for a while. If I forget to edit my prospects every couple of years, my league's top prospect report looks like this.

[RomanCaesar]

Originally Posted by korme

The game needs to be able to generate catchers with the ability to play corner OF, 3B/1B or in the rare Biggio case 2B. This has been a known issue for a while. If I forget to edit my prospects every couple of years, my league's top prospect report looks like this.

That isn't the problem in my case. My pictures show ootp 14 export to a brand new ootp 15 import. Its not a league that was ongoing and ran into it.

[DustinthePOWERHOUSE]

Originally Posted by RomanCaesar

This is the top 100 prospects from the same file in OOTP 14. I have edited ratings between exporting from 14 into 15, but by and large the ratings match the hitting prospect order you might expect, unlike the ootp 15 prospect order of many mediocre catching prospects ahead of Bagwell, Griffey, Thomas and company.

That doesn't look bad to me actually, I mean maybe that's the historical evaluation of the players potential, but it's not entirely unreasonable for Catchers to be valued higher than other positional players.

I've had years where certain positions dominate, and years where they don't. I'm not sure that's a bug so much as a progression/regression development.

[RomanCaesar]

Originally Posted by DustinthePOWERHOUSE

That doesn't look bad to me actually, I mean maybe that's the historical evaluation of the players potential, but it's not entirely unreasonable for Catchers to be valued higher than other positional players.

I've had years where certain positions dominate, and years where they don't. I'm not sure that's a bug so much as a progression/regression development.

I created a new historical league in OOTP 15. As you can see it looks alot like the OOTP 14 list i posted above (minus the players i imported from the 1990 and 1991 debut years), it also looks like you expect the list to look rating wise. It isn't dominated by catchers like the ootp 15 list from my converted file.

If the list looks doesn't look like the source and doesn't look like a newly created file (made in OOTP 15), and doesn't make sense rating wise, something is wrong.

I haven't progressed time in this league. Its March 4th on the OOTP 14 file, and OOTP 15 file. If i didn't have the steam version, i would go back to the version the guy above mentioned and check that way as well.

[RchW]

Here are two lists from v14 to v15 same league. The v14 list is from Nov 2 and the v15 is from Nov 15. Of the Top 10 in v14 8 remain on the list in v15 though in different positions. There are more 3B in the v15 list but I don't see a bug yet.