Function to review CPU trades as Commish?

pgjocki · 05-31-2014, 07:31 PM

Is there a way to review all trades between teams controlled by the computer? In the last three quick starts the St. Louis Cardinals trade Jon Jay within the first week of the season like the guy is cancer in the clubhouse. I have AI trading frequency on very low but there is still an average of 5 to 7 trades per week - which IMO is to many.

Besides setting every team to human controlled, which I don't want as I want the computer to be able to promote guys, sign new free agents, etc is there any way to build in a delay to veto trades or do I have to manually edit trades I don't agree with and reset the teams?

TGH-Adfabre · 05-31-2014, 09:30 PM

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In the last three quick starts the St. Louis Cardinals trade Jon Jay within
the first week of the season like the guy is cancer in the clubhouse.

Smart AI considering the depth in the OF the Cards have.

pgjocki · 05-31-2014, 09:46 PM

It's not so much that I am against trading Jay, but I would like the ability to monitor the league as the commish as I am not controlling a team.

Thanks for the feedback.

Fyrestorm3 · 05-31-2014, 09:54 PM

I've asked for a while now for a checkbox option that causes all trades to be run by the player if the player is playing in Commissioner Mode. And the Commish would then have the power to let the trade through or veto it.

I'm not going to rail against the AI for making bad trades, because it does a VERY good job, for the most part. But every once in a while, something slips through, and it's a pain in the rear end to have to manually edit every player back to their original team. Would be nice to just click a button and say no.

Arris44 · 05-31-2014, 10:50 PM

I agree the trade logic in this game is awful. While the actual trades themselves are usually plausible, the frequency is not. It's completely unrealistic that teams would be trading like this so early in the year. I went back and counted the number of REAL trades in the MLB this year and counted 9 total. I'm on May 15th in my season with the Reds and there's already been well over 30 trades! It usually don't bother me much cause I just tend to concentrate on my own team. But still, everything else in this game is so very realistic how could this have gotten through to release date?? Perhaps a patch could fix this??

Fyrestorm3 · 05-31-2014, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Arris44

I agree the trade logic in this game is awful. While the actual trades themselves are usually plausible, the frequency is not. It's completely unrealistic that teams would be trading like this so early in the year. I went back and counted the number of REAL trades in the MLB this year and counted 9 total. I'm on May 15th in my season with the Reds and there's already been well over 30 trades! It usually don't bother me much cause I just tend to concentrate on my own team. But still, everything else in this game is so very realistic how could this have gotten through to release date?? Perhaps a patch could fix this??

What's your trade frequency set at? I usually set mine to Low, and I'd be surprised to see 9 trades through the first two months of the season.

BMD · 05-31-2014, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Arris44

I agree the trade logic in this game is awful. While the actual trades themselves are usually plausible, the frequency is not. It's completely unrealistic that teams would be trading like this so early in the year. I went back and counted the number of REAL trades in the MLB this year and counted 9 total. I'm on May 15th in my season with the Reds and there's already been well over 30 trades! It usually don't bother me much cause I just tend to concentrate on my own team. But still, everything else in this game is so very realistic how could this have gotten through to release date?? Perhaps a patch could fix this??

Imagine if you will, every GM in MLB gets replaced on opening one year. That is basically what is happening when you start a new league. Every team in the league just got a new AI GM and they are making the rosters there own so there is usually a spike in trades when you start up a new league. I think that makes sense. Now, if that happened every year, I agree that would be a problem. In my experience, I have not seen that though in my leagues.

24Rocks · 06-01-2014, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by pgjocki

Is there a way to review all trades between teams controlled by the computer? In the last three quick starts the St. Louis Cardinals trade Jon Jay within the first week of the season like the guy is cancer in the clubhouse. I have AI trading frequency on very low but there is still an average of 5 to 7 trades per week - which IMO is to many.

Besides setting every team to human controlled, which I don't want as I want the computer to be able to promote guys, sign new free agents, etc is there any way to build in a delay to veto trades or do I have to manually edit trades I don't agree with and reset the teams?

I find this version the best so far in fair, even or need based trades over other versions there are some so so ones but alot of pretty good deals in my fictional league, so with the Depth in SLC the AI thinks its good to fill another position that it needs to win and who are they trading him for BTW? I find the best way is to just trade back I sim weeks and I just I did the trade back not caring that they played a few games on different teams, yes it sucks but the AI wants to do what they think is best.

Try and change the strategy of SLC to a little bit veteran might not trade him then

The Wolf · 06-01-2014, 12:29 AM

Why complain about the frequency of trades when you can select the frequency?

TGH-Adfabre · 06-01-2014, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by pgjocki

It's not so much that I am against trading Jay, but I would like the ability to monitor the league as the commish as I am not controlling a team.

Thanks for the feedback.

The only thing I can think of is checking the Transaction Logs for the league. You are probably already doing that. It will onlu allow you to manually reset a trade, not stop it in advance.

millhousebc · 06-01-2014, 01:39 AM

This!!

Rockfan616 · 06-01-2014, 10:24 AM

There is a function where you can block AI trades and roster movements, I think it's under the manager screen but not sure as the game isn't open right now. I set mine to medium with trade frequency and yeah there were a boatload of trades starting in June and right upto the trade deadline (which I set to later on in August).

Bluenoser · 06-01-2014, 10:36 AM

The AI does a pretty good job of running a team in OOTP. Sometimes there's a bad trade, but I haven't seen a team run into the ground year after year. The AI might do a bad job one year, then make a few good trades the next.

If anybody knows of a real life professional league that doesn't make bad trades, please point me to it and I will quickly become a fan.

Sometimes when we look at OOTP and think something is off, we need to step back and look at the "Big Picture" as well. Yes, the AI made a couple bad trades this year, but in general is the team improving overall? Is the AI headed in a good direction or bad direction with the team?

That's what I look at, and I just haven't seen the AI mis-manage a team to the point of ruin. Sometimes it takes a couple years before I can really see what the AI is doing. Sometimes it takes 2 bad trades and 3 good ones to get going in the right direction, but it always does from my experience.

Now - compare that to real life.

pgjocki · 06-01-2014, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

Why complain about the frequency of trades when you can select the frequency?

I have the setting at the lowest possible level...I am running a few tests now on separate quick starts with the settings at different levels and comparing total number of trades made. I will try and post results soon.

Fyrestorm3 · 06-03-2014, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluenoser

The AI does a pretty good job of running a team in OOTP. Sometimes there's a bad trade, but I haven't seen a team run into the ground year after year. The AI might do a bad job one year, then make a few good trades the next.

If anybody knows of a real life professional league that doesn't make bad trades, please point me to it and I will quickly become a fan.

Sometimes when we look at OOTP and think something is off, we need to step back and look at the "Big Picture" as well. Yes, the AI made a couple bad trades this year, but in general is the team improving overall? Is the AI headed in a good direction or bad direction with the team?

That's what I look at, and I just haven't seen the AI mis-manage a team to the point of ruin. Sometimes it takes a couple years before I can really see what the AI is doing. Sometimes it takes 2 bad trades and 3 good ones to get going in the right direction, but it always does from my experience.

Now - compare that to real life.

Well said, but when I refer to "bad trades", I'm not talking about lopsided trades, or questionable roster management; I let those slide. What I'm generally referring to is, say, a team in rebuilding mode yet leading the Wild Card apparently giving up and selling off their #1 pitcher, or a team trading an All-Star to a division rival. Situations that don't make any sense and would rarely, if ever, happen in real life.

SirMichaelJordan · 06-03-2014, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Fyrestorm3

Well said, but when I refer to "bad trades", I'm not talking about lopsided trades, or questionable roster management; I let those slide. What I'm generally referring to is, say, a team in rebuilding mode yet leading the Wild Card apparently giving up and selling off their #1 pitcher, or a team trading an All-Star to a division rival. Situations that don't make any sense and would rarely, if ever, happen in real life.

That sound like a bug. I never seen a team in playoff contention listed at rebuild. Even teams flirting with .500 seem to set at neutral.

As for trade frequency, it seems weird to me that a poster have 9 trades per week with the lowest setting. I usually dont see a single trade in the season until May-June and that is with normal frequency. Lol are you sure you are at very low instead of very high.

I always wanted a veto option in sports gsmes going back to my console days. Good thing ootp does good job at managing a roster. I think a veto screen that pops up in comm mode is a great idea.

Fyrestorm3 · 06-03-2014, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SirMichaelJordan

That sound like a bug. I never seen a team in playoff contention listed at rebuild. Even teams flirting with .500 is set to neutral.

Anecdotal; I can't prove a thing. You're probably right.

Just scratch that "in rebuilding mode" phrase from my post, and my point still stands.

05-31-2014, 09:46 PM	#3
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05-31-2014, 07:31 PM	#1
pgjocki All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Maryland - just outside DC Posts: 1,590	Function to review CPU trades as Commish? Is there a way to review all trades between teams controlled by the computer? In the last three quick starts the St. Louis Cardinals trade Jon Jay within the first week of the season like the guy is cancer in the clubhouse. I have AI trading frequency on very low but there is still an average of 5 to 7 trades per week - which IMO is to many. Besides setting every team to human controlled, which I don't want as I want the computer to be able to promote guys, sign new free agents, etc is there any way to build in a delay to veto trades or do I have to manually edit trades I don't agree with and reset the teams? __________________ - - - World Series championships: 1926, 1931, 1934, 1942, 1944, 1946, 1964, 1967, 1982, 2006, 2011

05-31-2014, 10:50 PM	#5
Arris44 Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2	I agree the trade logic in this game is awful. While the actual trades themselves are usually plausible, the frequency is not. It's completely unrealistic that teams would be trading like this so early in the year. I went back and counted the number of REAL trades in the MLB this year and counted 9 total. I'm on May 15th in my season with the Reds and there's already been well over 30 trades! It usually don't bother me much cause I just tend to concentrate on my own team. But still, everything else in this game is so very realistic how could this have gotten through to release date?? Perhaps a patch could fix this??

06-01-2014, 01:39 AM	#11
millhousebc Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 226	This!!

06-01-2014, 10:24 AM	#12
Rockfan616 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 275	There is a function where you can block AI trades and roster movements, I think it's under the manager screen but not sure as the game isn't open right now. I set mine to medium with trade frequency and yeah there were a boatload of trades starting in June and right upto the trade deadline (which I set to later on in August).

06-01-2014, 10:36 AM	#13
Bluenoser Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In The Moment Posts: 14,177	The AI does a pretty good job of running a team in OOTP. Sometimes there's a bad trade, but I haven't seen a team run into the ground year after year. The AI might do a bad job one year, then make a few good trades the next. If anybody knows of a real life professional league that doesn't make bad trades, please point me to it and I will quickly become a fan. Sometimes when we look at OOTP and think something is off, we need to step back and look at the "Big Picture" as well. Yes, the AI made a couple bad trades this year, but in general is the team improving overall? Is the AI headed in a good direction or bad direction with the team? That's what I look at, and I just haven't seen the AI mis-manage a team to the point of ruin. Sometimes it takes a couple years before I can really see what the AI is doing. Sometimes it takes 2 bad trades and 3 good ones to get going in the right direction, but it always does from my experience. Now - compare that to real life.