Criteria for AI Managers to stay employed?

[craftdr]

The offseason just hit in my fictional league and I was looking at the managers that were fired and was shocked to see my biggest rivals manager get the boot. The league is only 3 years old and the manager in question has been the manager for two of those years. The first year the team went 72-90 finishing in 5th place (out of 6) so a managerial change was made.

In his first year the new manager went 98-64, 1 game out of first place. We were tied for first place going into the second to last day of the season. That manager won the Manager of the Year award, I'm guessing because of the improvement.

His second and final year he went 96-66, good enough for second place again. Granted he was a ways out because I had one of those seasons where I couldn't seem to lose (until the divisional championship where I lost in 4 but I'd rather forget about that part).

So in those two years, he finished second twice, won the Manager of the Year award, turned the team into a contender, had a .599 winning percentage, and was fired. That just seems odd to me especially as there isn't anybody with comparable ratings available for hire.

I've always kept the checkbox selected to not be fired as I knew the AI is quick to let you go if you lose badly while rebuilding a team but I don't know what else it expects.

The owner is demanding and the teams budget is 20th out of 24th with an average market size. The expectation was to win the championship but still...

[Honorable_Pawn]

This has been a source of irritation for me for several versions now. I also wish the logic for firing personnel was much improved. Trust me, we definitely feel your pain.

[majesty95]

I agree. Not a whole lot of complaints with the game but the way it handles firings makes that part of the game almost useless. Its a shame bc that's a feature I'd really like to use if it were working properly.

[jaysdailydose]

I don't know. There are better examples in the NBA but you answered why he was fired... he was expected to bring home a championship and didn't deliver.

I get your issue but at the same time would we want the game to ignore the expectation because it looked and there wasn't another highly rated guy? Great managers get replaced by nobodies quite often.

Not saying its right or that the game does the best job...just trying to present an opposing viewpoint.

[craftdr]

Originally Posted by jaysdailydose

I don't know. There are better examples in the NBA but you answered why he was fired... he was expected to bring home a championship and didn't deliver.

I get your issue but at the same time would we want the game to ignore the expectation because it looked and there wasn't another highly rated guy? Great managers get replaced by nobodies quite often.

Not saying its right or that the game does the best job...just trying to present an opposing viewpoint.

Those are great points and I see the how not winning the championship is probably the cause and no I wouldn't want it to ignore expectations as those should come into play. I would just think that there would be some circumstances where not meeting those expectations are maybe relaxed like winning 90+ games in your first two years.

I'm not really trying to criticize how it works so much as maybe thinking out loud and looking for reasons like you gave. This game does way too many other things very well that I'm not going to get bothered by some guy getting fired because he can't check the magic box like I can...

[jaysdailydose]

Originally Posted by craftdr

Those are great points and I see the how not winning the championship is probably the cause and no I wouldn't want it to ignore expectations as those should come into play. I would just think that there would be some circumstances where not meeting those expectations are maybe relaxed like winning 90+ games in your first two years.

I'm not really trying to criticize how it works so much as maybe thinking out loud and looking for reasons like you gave. This game does way too many other things very well that I'm not going to get bothered by some guy getting fired because he can't check the magic box like I can...

For the record you don't aeem bothered.

I'd bet he had the same expectation year 2 as well...which means you beat him twice and they don't think that he can get them over the hump.

That's the only time I worry is when the implausible frequently happens. Most everything that happens you can explain... kinda like the situation in the OP.

Still a great topic.

[24Rocks]

I doesn't always happen that way, This guy had the miss fortune of taking over the Pirates after I left in after the 2022 season and faced me in the world series 2026-2029 and faced the Yankees in 2030 lost all 5, faced me again in 2032 and 2041 and 2042, faced the jays in 40 and 43 and finally won in 42 and 43 but his contract wasnt renewed in 45 idk but they won the series that year. That owner was Win Series every year so

[jaysdailydose]

^^ I'd be curious to see what the owner up here had for his patience level, and what the owner that fired craft's manager in question had for his.

I always use it, but I love it for the stories so I can usually think of something plausible.

[24Rocks]

The current owner wasn't the owner when I was GM he is dead, his son is a 4 tolerant.

But im pretty sure it was a 6 or something because I missed the playoffs my 2nd year and still had a job

[24Rocks]

Originally Posted by jaysdailydose

^^ I'd be curious to see what the owner up here had for his patience level, and what the owner that fired craft's manager in question had for his.

I always use it, but I love it for the stories so I can usually think of something plausible.

If you like the story, This is a story of a PC that actually made each team better but also why does he have such a long career but the other guy not.The unique part is that they both went to the same High School and in 2019 Velasquez was called up for his only season to Pittsburgh were JFW was playing. Then he come to be the PC for JFW but when the CIA have a bad year Jonathan goes and retires why? Is it because players with short Careers have long coaching ones

[craftdr]

Originally Posted by jaysdailydose

^^ I'd be curious to see what the owner up here had for his patience level, and what the owner that fired craft's manager in question had for his.

I always use it, but I love it for the stories so I can usually think of something plausible.

The owner was demanding with a 3. So I had a backup after his first season where he finished second so when I went to work today, I ran it ahead 15 years to see what would happen if I didn't have that lucky season. He had a great run with Louisiana then something went south... not sure if he was fired, contract ran out or what but he then became a bench coach for 4 more years and then he was done. He was only in his early fifties when his career ended. I'm chalking it up to an abrasive personality that nobody wanted to play for...

Sorry for the uneven snip of the image but it's easier to get it it large enough to read if I do it this way...

[craftdr]

Then you have this inept jackwagon that managed to stay employed for 19 years... Thanks all for the input, this has been pretty cool going through manager histories as it's not something I've ever really payed attention to. His most recent owner of Indiana is tolerant with a 5 rating with an expectation of .500.

[SirMichaelJordan]

Not to mention that there seem to not be a criteria for managers progressing in ratings as I often see a career loser with legendary stats which also have me wondering if ratings for managers even matter at all?

These career losers with great ratings often get the jobs..

[craftdr]

Interesting point, makes me wonder if I'm not overspending by trying to hire all the highest ranked coaches that I can. As if there wasn't enough player data to go over, now I'm going to be looking at manager correlations between ratings. Thanks, thanks a lot.

[24Rocks]

Originally Posted by craftdr

Interesting point, makes me wonder if I'm not overspending by trying to hire all the highest ranked coaches that I can. As if there wasn't enough player data to go over, now I'm going to be looking at manager correlations between ratings. Thanks, thanks a lot.

If you look at my post above and AV he was my pc from 34 to 41 and after 41 i didn't win the series till i got playoff dream season and won with rookies pitching, he helped my staff alot, I had alot less decline in my SP who were older.

[craftdr]

Originally Posted by 24Rocks

If you look at my post above and AV he was my pc from 34 to 41 and after 41 i didn't win the series till i got playoff dream season and won with rookies pitching, he helped my staff alot, I had alot less decline in my SP who were older.

How was AV's ratings? For example, was his rating good? or excellent? Also what was his teach pitching like? I believe that coaches make a difference as the manager in my OP really turned Louisiana around (they could have signed a bunch of good players too). What SirMJ has me thinking is if coach success is related to their ratings or if some of them just have "it"? I believe there may be too many variables to really get a good reading (or even if it's possible). For example, does that team have a good GM that gets his team good young players that can be developed? Or are those players just being developed better by the coach? Random talent bumps or is the trainer doing a great job at keeping the players healthy so they play better? All areas that contribute to that fog that makes the game fun for me.

I'll admit, until last night/today, I haven't really delved into the ratings too much but just took it at face value that the higher rated the better. I do treat my player evaluation quite a bit different though as I don't go by ratings as much.

Maybe when I start getting a bit bored with my current league I'll create some coaches with varying degrees of ratings and track their development and history over 20-30 years to see how they develop and the success they have. That ought to make for a new game experience even if I don't ever get any definitive results. Sorry for the ramble.

[SirMichaelJordan]

Originally Posted by craftdr

How was AV's ratings? For example, was his rating good? or excellent? Also what was his teach pitching like? I believe that coaches make a difference as the manager in my OP really turned Louisiana around (they could have signed a bunch of good players too). What SirMJ has me thinking is if coach success is related to their ratings or if some of them just have "it"? I believe there may be too many variables to really get a good reading (or even if it's possible). For example, does that team have a good GM that gets his team good young players that can be developed? Or are those players just being developed better by the coach? Random talent bumps or is the trainer doing a great job at keeping the players healthy so they play better? All areas that contribute to that fog that makes the game fun for me.

I'll admit, until last night/today, I haven't really delved into the ratings too much but just took it at face value that the higher rated the better. I do treat my player evaluation quite a bit different though as I don't go by ratings as much.

Maybe when I start getting a bit bored with my current league I'll create some coaches with varying degrees of ratings and track their development and history over 20-30 years to see how they develop and the success they have. That ought to make for a new game experience even if I don't ever get any definitive results. Sorry for the ramble.

Also the manager's strategy configration could play a role in having better success despite ratings.

[craftdr]

Originally Posted by SirMichaelJordan

Also the manager's strategy configration could play a role in having better success despite ratings.

Very true... I never thought I'd think about putting a test plan together for a game but with all these variables, I may just have to do that just to keep track of them all. I do want to say it's not a knock on the game, it's just that this has got me interested.

[jaysdailydose]

Well, the biggest thing to me, is that now that you are looking "under the hood" at the manager histories... you're coming up with plausible reasons about what happened.

"Maybe he was just an abrasive man no one wanted to play for..."

"Maybe some guys just have it..."

"Maybe he was just unlucky..."

Sounds like exactly what I want. I know its the NBA, but seriously, look at Donald Sterling... the man was allowed to run a franchise into the ground for the better part of three decades.

Some things just defy explanation.

[24Rocks]

Originally Posted by craftdr

How was AV's ratings? For example, was his rating good? or excellent? Also what was his teach pitching like? I believe that coaches make a difference as the manager in my OP really turned Louisiana around (they could have signed a bunch of good players too). What SirMJ has me thinking is if coach success is related to their ratings or if some of them just have "it"? I believe there may be too many variables to really get a good reading (or even if it's possible). For example, does that team have a good GM that gets his team good young players that can be developed? Or are those players just being developed better by the coach? Random talent bumps or is the trainer doing a great job at keeping the players healthy so they play better? All areas that contribute to that fog that makes the game fun for me.

I'll admit, until last night/today, I haven't really delved into the ratings too much but just took it at face value that the higher rated the better. I do treat my player evaluation quite a bit different though as I don't go by ratings as much.

Maybe when I start getting a bit bored with my current league I'll create some coaches with varying degrees of ratings and track their development and history over 20-30 years to see how they develop and the success they have. That ought to make for a new game experience even if I don't ever get any definitive results. Sorry for the ramble.

Its also good to look at How they work with players if you have a pretty much a group of rookies coming up and a guy that doesn't work well wit them then some might not develop or just not play well, I look for guys who were players in my league mostly old players Like AV and JFW and see how they do.

What im starting to see if you had a long playing career you usually dont have long Coaching careers