All-Star Game in OOTP4

sox9418 · 12-07-2001, 05:28 AM

If you don't want to go into features of OOTP4 yet, I understand, but was curious if you would be able to manually select All-Stars rather than having to use one of the workarounds?

Just curious.

Thanks!

Glen · 12-07-2001, 06:00 AM

I would think this would be tough to pull off.

If you think about it, you would have to re-do a ton of the code for the game, for just one single game each season.

We all know the All-star game stuff isn't great, but I think we can live with it.

Glen

sporr · 12-07-2001, 07:29 AM

You can do a work-around like we did in the XBL. Basically, you make a copy of the league, move all of the players onto two teams, rename the teams AL All-Stars and NL All-Stars, and then you can play or sim it. Once done, you can use that boxscore and gamelog. You'll still have the All-Star game that the game generates, but at least this way you can see the results of your own too.

Joe M. · 12-07-2001, 08:42 AM

I just wish the computer used the starting pitchers correctly and didn't throw relievers after the first starter is relieved. Another problem is the computer starts a better rated player over the guy with better stats sometimes.

Steve Kuffrey · 12-07-2001, 09:06 AM

[quote]Originally posted by Draugwath:
I just wish the computer used the starting pitchers correctly and didn't throw relievers after the first starter is relieved. Another problem is the computer starts a better rated player over the guy with better stats sometimes.<hr></blockquote>

You guys don't understand the amount of code that would have to be written for ONE game. Just to be honest, it's not worth it. It would be like writing an entire game engine just for the all-star game.

Joe M. · 12-07-2001, 09:15 AM

You are right the all-star game isn't all important and is far down on probably most everybodies wish list for the game.. but I thought I would throw out my dealings with it.

[ December 07, 2001: Message edited by: Draugwath ]

Steve Kuffrey · 12-07-2001, 09:24 AM

I am glad that guys come here and share their thoughts and ideas about the game but I do want to shed some light on this topic especially since it is often brought up.

Dokken · 12-07-2001, 10:06 AM

There has to be someway to "trick" the code for just a game a season!

There is absolutley NO WAY to do it at all?

sporr · 12-07-2001, 10:19 AM

My suggestion would be to take the opportunity to find a friend and play out the game yourself. If it's that important.

d_elliott · 12-07-2001, 04:38 PM

Is it possible to change all the starters except one to relievers prior to starting the game? This wouldn't necessarily require code...I think you can edit the players from the pregame lineup page.

Bagpipes5 · 12-08-2001, 08:43 AM

I think it would be cool to keep the All-Star game as is. I agree with the picks most of the time as in real life it could go either way too. A cool option would be to have the All-Star game tie in with the ERA Calculator. This way if your a 1920's league you would really play the all-star game is it meant something then. If you were a 2000 league the game would be played similar to how it is today, a new pitcher every inning and everyone gets to play.

Giants44 · 12-08-2001, 09:56 AM

I agree this is not a big issue, but I had just a quick thought.

How hard would it be to simply add an “exhibition game” feature where the teams could be named anything and the players could be selected from any teams. This would solve the all-star problem and would be fun for other “what-if” scenarios as well.

Again I agree this is a minor deal, so if it were relatively easy this would be great if not, I would much rather the time be spent on other stuff

Just my 2 cents

Steve Kuffrey · 12-08-2001, 10:07 AM

[quote]Originally posted by Giants44:
I agree this is not a big issue, but I had just a quick thought.

How hard would it be to simply add an “exhibition game” feature where the teams could be named anything and the players could be selected from any teams. This would solve the all-star problem and would be fun for other “what-if” scenarios as well.

<hr></blockquote>

The ability to play an "exhibition game" already exists, as to being able to do the other things listed I do not know. But might be an option.

kidk34 · 12-08-2001, 11:59 AM

If major code has to be written for the All Star Game, then I would say forget it. I like the idea above of changing all pitchers (except the starter) to relievers before playing the game. Also, I often take over substitutions so players are handled properly. Maybe the voting logic could be tweaked to ensure that the best players make the game. I do see many middle relievers selected that have 30IP, 2.00 ERA while very solid pitchers with many saves or good starting credentials are overlooked. Adjusting voting logic would be nice.

BTW......LOVE THIS BOARD

Tresclub · 12-08-2001, 12:08 PM

This was my work-around last season, and I will probably use it again this next season:

1. Made a back-up copy of my .lg file

2. Created new teams in my two divisions: National Allstars and American Allstars

3. Realeased to Free Agency, all of the Allstar players selected by my Managers

4. Signed each player to his respective Allstar Team

5. Played the Allstar Game myself, making all the subsitutions, and pitching changes.

6. Uploaded the Allstar Game boxscore and game log to my website.

7. Took my backup copy and copied over my .lg file.

8. Went into the game's schedule editor and deleted the Allstar Game so the game would not play it.

Worked for me . . .

sox9418 · 12-10-2001, 02:51 AM

I have to agree, that if it takes a lot of work, then it's not worth it, especially if it's going to delay OOTP4. Are there going to be any tweaks done to the selection process? For instance, I ended up with 7 All-Stars this year, and I think it's a combination of being in first place and having a great bullpen - there were 4 relief pitchers who made it, but 1 starter, when at least 3 other starters had better stats on other teams. I do like the fact that the league's leading hitter didn't make the team because he was hurt (assuming, otherwise it's a crime), though.

Thanks for all the suggestions guys! I think the exhibition might make the most sense, since the All-Star game doesn't display in the League History report. By the way, is there a way to change that??

Thanks!

12-07-2001, 05:28 AM	#1
sox9418 Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 323	All-Star Game in OOTP4 If you don't want to go into features of OOTP4 yet, I understand, but was curious if you would be able to manually select All-Stars rather than having to use one of the workarounds? Just curious. Thanks!

12-07-2001, 06:00 AM	#2
Glen Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 153	I would think this would be tough to pull off. If you think about it, you would have to re-do a ton of the code for the game, for just one single game each season. We all know the All-star game stuff isn't great, but I think we can live with it. Glen __________________ Colorado Rockies - DBLC

12-07-2001, 09:06 AM	#5
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,036	[quote]Originally posted by Draugwath: <strong>I just wish the computer used the starting pitchers correctly and didn't throw relievers after the first starter is relieved. Another problem is the computer starts a better rated player over the guy with better stats sometimes.</strong><hr></blockquote> You guys don't understand the amount of code that would have to be written for ONE game. Just to be honest, it's not worth it. It would be like writing an entire game engine just for the all-star game. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

12-07-2001, 09:15 AM	#6
Joe M. Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 46	You are right the all-star game isn't all important and is far down on probably most everybodies wish list for the game.. but I thought I would throw out my dealings with it. [ December 07, 2001: Message edited by: Draugwath ]</p>

12-07-2001, 09:24 AM	#7
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,036	I am glad that guys come here and share their thoughts and ideas about the game but I do want to shed some light on this topic especially since it is often brought up. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

12-07-2001, 07:29 AM	#3
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	You can do a work-around like we did in the XBL. Basically, you make a copy of the league, move all of the players onto two teams, rename the teams AL All-Stars and NL All-Stars, and then you can play or sim it. Once done, you can use that boxscore and gamelog. You'll still have the All-Star game that the game generates, but at least this way you can see the results of your own too.

12-07-2001, 08:42 AM	#4
Joe M. Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 46	I just wish the computer used the starting pitchers correctly and didn't throw relievers after the first starter is relieved. Another problem is the computer starts a better rated player over the guy with better stats sometimes.

12-07-2001, 10:06 AM	#8
Dokken Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 110	There has to be someway to "trick" the code for just a game a season! There is absolutley NO WAY to do it at all?

12-07-2001, 10:19 AM	#9
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	My suggestion would be to take the opportunity to find a friend and play out the game yourself. If it's that important.

12-07-2001, 04:38 PM	#10
d_elliott Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 20	Is it possible to change all the starters except one to relievers prior to starting the game? This wouldn't necessarily require code...I think you can edit the players from the pregame lineup page.

12-08-2001, 08:43 AM	#11
Bagpipes5 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: TX Posts: 518	I think it would be cool to keep the All-Star game as is. I agree with the picks most of the time as in real life it could go either way too. A cool option would be to have the All-Star game tie in with the ERA Calculator. This way if your a 1920's league you would really play the all-star game is it meant something then. If you were a 2000 league the game would be played similar to how it is today, a new pitcher every inning and everyone gets to play.

12-08-2001, 09:56 AM	#12
Giants44 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 2,408	I agree this is not a big issue, but I had just a quick thought. How hard would it be to simply add an “exhibition game” feature where the teams could be named anything and the players could be selected from any teams. This would solve the all-star problem and would be fun for other “what-if” scenarios as well. Again I agree this is a minor deal, so if it were relatively easy this would be great if not, I would much rather the time be spent on other stuff Just my 2 cents __________________ "In a text sim - Immersion is everything" -Me "Judge a man not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character" -Martin Luther King "Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts." -Einstein "The man who views the world at 50 the same as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life." -Muhammad Ali "Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything." -Toby Harrah

12-08-2001, 10:07 AM	#13
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,036	[quote]Originally posted by Giants44: <strong>I agree this is not a big issue, but I had just a quick thought. How hard would it be to simply add an “exhibition game” feature where the teams could be named anything and the players could be selected from any teams. This would solve the all-star problem and would be fun for other “what-if” scenarios as well. </strong><hr></blockquote> The ability to play an "exhibition game" already exists, as to being able to do the other things listed I do not know. But might be an option. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

12-08-2001, 11:59 AM	#14
kidk34 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Springfield, Illinois Posts: 88	If major code has to be written for the All Star Game, then I would say forget it. I like the idea above of changing all pitchers (except the starter) to relievers before playing the game. Also, I often take over substitutions so players are handled properly. Maybe the voting logic could be tweaked to ensure that the best players make the game. I do see many middle relievers selected that have 30IP, 2.00 ERA while very solid pitchers with many saves or good starting credentials are overlooked. Adjusting voting logic would be nice. BTW......LOVE THIS BOARD

12-08-2001, 12:08 PM	#15
Tresclub All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: La Mesa, CA USA Posts: 1,908	This was my work-around last season, and I will probably use it again this next season: 1. Made a back-up copy of my .lg file 2. Created new teams in my two divisions: National Allstars and American Allstars 3. Realeased to Free Agency, all of the Allstar players selected by my Managers 4. Signed each player to his respective Allstar Team 5. Played the Allstar Game myself, making all the subsitutions, and pitching changes. 6. Uploaded the Allstar Game boxscore and game log to my website. 7. Took my backup copy and copied over my .lg file. 8. Went into the game's schedule editor and deleted the Allstar Game so the game would not play it. Worked for me . . .

12-10-2001, 02:51 AM	#16
sox9418 Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 323	I have to agree, that if it takes a lot of work, then it's not worth it, especially if it's going to delay OOTP4. Are there going to be any tweaks done to the selection process? For instance, I ended up with 7 All-Stars this year, and I think it's a combination of being in first place and having a great bullpen - there were 4 relief pitchers who made it, but 1 starter, when at least 3 other starters had better stats on other teams. I do like the fact that the league's leading hitter didn't make the team because he was hurt (assuming, otherwise it's a crime), though. Thanks for all the suggestions guys! I think the exhibition might make the most sense, since the All-Star game doesn't display in the League History report. By the way, is there a way to change that?? Thanks!