Weather Conditions BEFORE Playing

landru · 03-10-2014, 06:37 PM

I'm fairly certain this hasn't been brought up before - but it would be nice to know the weather conditions of the day before the game begins, so I can start that groundball pitcher rather than the flyball pitcher when the wind is 20 mph out to center! Right now the manager knows the weather on the first pitch and it is too late to sub anybody.

I'm sure there are other lineup decisions somebody might make on the weather as well - keeping injury prone players on the bench if it is 35F out.

PSUColonel · 03-10-2014, 06:47 PM

AI should react as well.

The Wolf · 03-10-2014, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by landru

I'm fairly certain this hasn't been brought up before - but it would be nice to know the weather conditions of the day before the game begins, so I can start that groundball pitcher rather than the flyball pitcher when the wind is 20 mph out to center! Right now the manager knows the weather on the first pitch and it is too late to sub anybody.

I'm sure there are other lineup decisions somebody might make on the weather as well - keeping injury prone players on the bench if it is 35F out.

Long overdue.

ootp3to6 · 03-10-2014, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

Long overdue.

I agree.

RchW · 03-10-2014, 07:59 PM

The day before?

landru · 03-10-2014, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

The day before?

And my wife is a copy editor...

I could have phrased that differently it looks like. How 'bout "It would be nice to know the weather the day of the game, whilst choosing the lineup".

(I have no idea if I used "whilst" correctly)

RchW · 03-10-2014, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by landru

I'm fairly certain this hasn't been brought up before - but it would be nice to know the weather conditions of the day before the game begins, so I can start that groundball pitcher rather than the flyball pitcher when the wind is 20 mph out to center! Right now the manager knows the weather on the first pitch and it is too late to sub anybody.

I'm sure there are other lineup decisions somebody might make on the weather as well - keeping injury prone players on the bench if it is 35F out.

Not disputing that it would be nice to know weather conditions. I understand that rotations are often massaged beforehand to avoid certain match ups parks etc. The bigger question is does this ever happen, on game day and just because of weather? I can't think of a single IRL incidence where a healthy starter was bypassed that way. It may have but very rarely IMO. The precedent now set would be interesting. What happens if the wind conditions are worse the next day. Would you skip the same guy again and start a relief pitcher because it's very unlikely you'd have another starter ready. If a field manager skipped a particular pitcher twice, methinks the GM and the player would have questions.

Same for batters. Would you sit out 1-2-3 regulars multiple times in the first 10 days of the season just because it was cold? Would they sit in September if it was just as cold?

I'd certainly not want the AI to be programmed to react this way. There is no data to suggest that these things occur in any measurable way.

I stand to be corrected if there is data.

PSUColonel · 03-11-2014, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by RchW

Not disputing that it would be nice to know weather conditions. I understand that rotations are often massaged beforehand to avoid certain match ups parks etc. The bigger question is does this ever happen, on game day and just because of weather? I can't think of a single IRL incidence where a healthy starter was bypassed that way. It may have but very rarely IMO. The precedent now set would be interesting. What happens if the wind conditions are worse the next day. Would you skip the same guy again and start a relief pitcher because it's very unlikely you'd have another starter ready. If a field manager skipped a particular pitcher twice, methinks the GM and the player would have questions.

Same for batters. Would you sit out 1-2-3 regulars multiple times in the first 10 days of the season just because it was cold? Would they sit in September if it was just as cold?

I'd certainly not want the AI to be programmed to react this way. There is no data to suggest that these things occur in any measurable way.

I stand to be corrected if there is data.

Right...If the Ai can't react this way (and frankly it will cause more issues than anything) then this is not a feature that makes a difference. It would be nice to know the weather forecast, but not for these purposes. I know FM does tis, but I'm not really sure the AI makes adjustments to it's lineups as a result? e.g....good short passers on a windy day.

BusterKing · 03-11-2014, 06:23 AM

Just another area to have an advantage over the AI. No thanks unless it's an option that can be turned on/off.

tward13 · 03-11-2014, 08:30 AM

I really don't see the point. As others have said, only rarely do managers alter line-ups/rotations due to weather.

The Wolf · 03-11-2014, 09:54 AM

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I really don't see the point. As others have said, only rarely do managers alter line-ups/rotations due to weather.

My old coach would always try to avoid using flyball pictures on windy days and would try to go with groundball pictures on wet days.

Markus Heinsohn · 03-11-2014, 11:20 AM

Done.

The Wolf · 03-11-2014, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Done.

Thanks!

tward13 · 03-11-2014, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

My old coach would always try to avoid using flyball pictures on windy days and would try to go with groundball pictures on wet days.

But do major league managers change their pitching rotations? Not really.

The Wolf · 03-11-2014, 04:58 PM

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But do major league managers change their pitching rotations? Not really.

If it gains you an advantage, why wouldn't you?

The Wolf · 03-11-2014, 05:00 PM

Example: it's a windy day at Wrigley, with the wind blowing out.

You have two rested starters of roughly equal FIP, Abbott and Barnes. Abbott is a fly ball picture and Barnes is a groundball picture. Which one would you start?

03-10-2014, 06:37 PM	#1
landru Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 101	Weather Conditions BEFORE Playing I'm fairly certain this hasn't been brought up before - but it would be nice to know the weather conditions of the day before the game begins, so I can start that groundball pitcher rather than the flyball pitcher when the wind is 20 mph out to center! Right now the manager knows the weather on the first pitch and it is too late to sub anybody. I'm sure there are other lineup decisions somebody might make on the weather as well - keeping injury prone players on the bench if it is 35F out.

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BusterKing Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,422	Just another area to have an advantage over the AI. No thanks unless it's an option that can be turned on/off.

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tward13 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,964	I really don't see the point. As others have said, only rarely do managers alter line-ups/rotations due to weather.