Markus and Team: Will FaceGen be Locked at Retirement

ChiefWahoo · 03-03-2014, 05:06 PM

First off, this is the first time I have posted on these forums, but have been playing OOTP for two years now and it has quickly become one of my favorite games.
The FaceGen technology contributes immensely to the game's immersion; however, I do find myself a tad bit annoyed when I see FaceGens for 100-year old retired players.... I have never even met a living 100+ year old.

My suggestion (it's one I have seen many other people ask for in the past), is to lock the FaceGen at a player's (or manager's) retirement, similar to what is done in the Football Manager series. As humans, we are all faced with our own mortality, but we surely prefer our appearance to be remembered as that of a young, fit, and energetic person rather than someone on death's door step.

Also, is there any chance that a player's profile can be merged with his managerial profile (once again like in FM)? Thank you!

The Wolf · 03-03-2014, 07:23 PM

Good idea.

BigCity · 03-03-2014, 09:23 PM

Also agree with locking the FaceGen progression upon retirement.

This also brings up a solution for the previous discussion about whether or not to show when players die... why not simply let the game determine internally when they die and simply replace "age" with "-". No need to announce it. When we go back to look at retired players, the "-" will note they passed - no fanfare, yet more realistic than hundred year old retirees.

hfield007 · 03-03-2014, 09:37 PM

Do not know off hands if they still do... But didn't you used to be able to individually lock the facegen?

This is a must regardless.

conception · 03-03-2014, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCity

Also agree with locking the FaceGen progression upon retirement.

This also brings up a solution for the previous discussion about whether or not to show when players die... why not simply let the game determine internally when they die and simply replace "age" with "-". No need to announce it. When we go back to look at retired players, the "-" will note they passed - no fanfare, yet more realistic than hundred year old retirees.

Actually, I think it would be kind of cool if you found out that the star pitcher you had managed 50 game years ago had passed. It would be neat to get that blast from the past every once in a while. After all, while I absolutely love to browse my league history every so often, the game rarely brings something to your attention.

I doubt that the game really wants to get into such morbid territory though.

silvam14 · 03-03-2014, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by conception

Actually, I think it would be kind of cool if you found out that the star pitcher you had managed 50 game years ago had passed. It would be neat to get that blast from the past every once in a while. After all, while I absolutely love to browse my league history every so often, the game rarely brings something to your attention.

I doubt that the game really wants to get into such morbid territory though.

We could lobby for an obituary feature!

endgame · 03-03-2014, 11:15 PM

Adverse as I am to mortality, I find it even more diabolical or odd at least, to see ancients in the HOF or retirees that may have known Plato. But hardest for me to fathom, though I heartily wish there were one at my disposal, is the necessity along with Cannot Be Fired, adding a Can Never Die.

silvam14 · 03-03-2014, 11:39 PM

The only thing I will say is that in most baseball sims, or any kind of sports sims , this issue needs not even be discussed because nobody plays enough game years for this to come into play.

As morbid as it might sound, for people who play and sim decades upon decades, it kind of makes sense

SirMichaelJordan · 03-04-2014, 05:32 AM

At which retirement? Most players retire then become coaches. I don't want to see a manager thats 60-70 years old but looks 40...

Jason · 03-04-2014, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefWahoo

First off, this is the first time I have posted on these forums, but have been playing OOTP for two years now and it has quickly become one of my favorite games.
The FaceGen technology contributes immensely to the game's immersion; however, I do find myself a tad bit annoyed when I see FaceGens for 100-year old retired players.... I have never even met a living 100+ year old.

My suggestion (it's one I have seen many other people ask for in the past), is to lock the FaceGen at a player's (or manager's) retirement, similar to what is done in the Football Manager series. As humans, we are all faced with our own mortality, but we surely prefer our appearance to be remembered as that of a young, fit, and energetic person rather than someone on death's door step.

Also, is there any chance that a player's profile can be merged with his managerial profile (once again like in FM)? Thank you!

I understand where you're coming from and I don't necessarily disagree with your sentiment...but I'd like to see it as an option.

In one online league, we have a 50+ season history and often reference players from "the old days." One season we had a former superstar "die" and the team honor him for the season. So I'd like to have the option to see an "older" player that could be trotted out for Old Timer's Day, etc.

gohorns98 · 03-04-2014, 08:15 AM

I would like to see the game automatically lock a player's facegen at least when they get inducted into the hall of fame. I hate seeing a Walter Johnson in a modern Twins uniform instead of a Senators uniform. It is also sad to look at 102 year old hall of famers.

Carlton · 03-04-2014, 08:49 AM

I agree with the Facegen being locked in the manner gohorns98 stated, it is a bummer seeing Walter Johnson in a Twins uniform.

I also echo the sentiments of SirMichaelJordan...players who become coaches should age

as for Chief Wahoo, managers are tied to their player profile

ChiefWahoo · 03-04-2014, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SirMichaelJordan

At which retirement? Most players retire then become coaches. I don't want to see a manager thats 60-70 years old but looks 40...

SirMichaelJordan, I envision that if a player retires and that is the end of his involvement in professional baseball, then his FaceGen is locked at the age of his retirement from his playing career; likewise, if he goes on to be a manager or coach, his FaceGen would be locked once he retires from those duties.

Also, I am glad to see that this thread is really taking off. Hopefully we can get the team to notice this so it can make its way into the game!

The Wolf · 03-04-2014, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefWahoo

SirMichaelJordan, I envision that if a player retires and that is the end of his involvement in professional baseball, then his FaceGen is locked at the age of his retirement from his playing career; likewise, if he goes on to be a manager or coach, his FaceGen would be locked once he retires from those duties.

Also, I am glad to see that this thread is really taking off. Hopefully we can get the team to notice this so it can make its way into the game!

Hopefully this will happen in the next version or two.

eriqjaffe · 03-04-2014, 01:32 PM

An idea for this, similar to the "away" jersey naming structure:

When a player retires, his FG is duplicated with a flag added onto it: Babe_Ruth.fg duplicates, so there's a Babe_Ruth.fg and a Babe_Ruth_retired.fg which does not have age progression. Whenever Ruth the player gets called up by the game, it checks for Babe_Ruth_retired.fg first. If that doesn't exist, it falls back to Babe_Ruth.fg.

If Ruth becomes a coach, then the original facegen file gets called whenever the game show him as a coach.

BMD · 03-04-2014, 02:14 PM

How about an option where retired players are immeadiately terminated the day after their playing careers are over. It would give veteran players nearing the end of their careers real motivation to earn one more contract. I suggest calling this the Logan's Run Batted In option.

ChiefWahoo · 03-04-2014, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by silvam14

We could lobby for an obituary feature!

I actually really like this idea... if it is only implemented for computer-generated fictional players. Real world men (and women, ie. Sue Falsone) shouldn't pass away in game, as that seems slightly tasteless, but fictional players, sure--- as long as their cause of death is old age, and not some tragic event that sees a 27-year old player die. Also, the user GM should never die... yay to immortality!!!

Andreas Raht · 03-05-2014, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefWahoo

First off, this is the first time I have posted on these forums, but have been playing OOTP for two years now and it has quickly become one of my favorite games.
The FaceGen technology contributes immensely to the game's immersion; however, I do find myself a tad bit annoyed when I see FaceGens for 100-year old retired players.... I have never even met a living 100+ year old.

My suggestion (it's one I have seen many other people ask for in the past), is to lock the FaceGen at a player's (or manager's) retirement, similar to what is done in the Football Manager series. As humans, we are all faced with our own mortality, but we surely prefer our appearance to be remembered as that of a young, fit, and energetic person rather than someone on death's door step.

Thank you for your post! We just implemented this for OOTP 15

The Wolf · 03-05-2014, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Andreas Raht

Thank you for your post! We just implemented this for OOTP 15

Thanks, Markus! Now can you please fix the newspaper so it covers the playoffs?

Markus Heinsohn · 03-05-2014, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

Thanks, Markus! Now can you please fix the newspaper so it covers the playoffs?

Andreas posted the message.

And "fixing" the news is not easy at all, everything related to news articles is terribly time-consuming, unfortunately.

03-03-2014, 05:06 PM	#1
ChiefWahoo Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 129	Markus and Team: Will FaceGen be Locked at Retirement First off, this is the first time I have posted on these forums, but have been playing OOTP for two years now and it has quickly become one of my favorite games. The FaceGen technology contributes immensely to the game's immersion; however, I do find myself a tad bit annoyed when I see FaceGens for 100-year old retired players.... I have never even met a living 100+ year old. My suggestion (it's one I have seen many other people ask for in the past), is to lock the FaceGen at a player's (or manager's) retirement, similar to what is done in the Football Manager series. As humans, we are all faced with our own mortality, but we surely prefer our appearance to be remembered as that of a young, fit, and energetic person rather than someone on death's door step. Also, is there any chance that a player's profile can be merged with his managerial profile (once again like in FM)? Thank you!

03-03-2014, 11:15 PM	#7
endgame Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 16,842	Adverse as I am to mortality, I find it even more diabolical or odd at least, to see ancients in the HOF or retirees that may have known Plato. But hardest for me to fathom, though I heartily wish there were one at my disposal, is the necessity along with Cannot Be Fired, adding a Can Never Die. __________________ "Try again. Fail again. Fail better." -- Samuel Beckett _____________________________________________

03-03-2014, 11:39 PM	#8
silvam14 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Dedham, MA Posts: 9,913	The only thing I will say is that in most baseball sims, or any kind of sports sims , this issue needs not even be discussed because nobody plays enough game years for this to come into play. As morbid as it might sound, for people who play and sim decades upon decades, it kind of makes sense __________________ Senior "Nancy Boy" of the OOTP Boards _______________________________________________

03-04-2014, 08:49 AM	#12
Carlton Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,765	I agree with the Facegen being locked in the manner gohorns98 stated, it is a bummer seeing Walter Johnson in a Twins uniform. I also echo the sentiments of SirMichaelJordan...players who become coaches should age as for Chief Wahoo, managers are tied to their player profile __________________ "I am at that stage of my life where I keep myself out of arguments. I am 100% self sufficient spiritually, emotionally & financially. Even if you say 1+1=5, you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. Enjoy!"

03-04-2014, 01:32 PM	#15
eriqjaffe Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Under The Christmas Fish Posts: 7,636	An idea for this, similar to the "away" jersey naming structure: When a player retires, his FG is duplicated with a flag added onto it: Babe_Ruth.fg duplicates, so there's a Babe_Ruth.fg and a Babe_Ruth_retired.fg which does not have age progression. Whenever Ruth the player gets called up by the game, it checks for Babe_Ruth_retired.fg first. If that doesn't exist, it falls back to Babe_Ruth.fg. If Ruth becomes a coach, then the original facegen file gets called whenever the game show him as a coach. __________________

03-03-2014, 09:23 PM	#3
BigCity All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: South Shore, Great Lakes Posts: 1,386	Also agree with locking the FaceGen progression upon retirement. This also brings up a solution for the previous discussion about whether or not to show when players die... why not simply let the game determine internally when they die and simply replace "age" with "-". No need to announce it. When we go back to look at retired players, the "-" will note they passed - no fanfare, yet more realistic than hundred year old retirees.

03-03-2014, 09:37 PM	#4
hfield007 All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,713	Do not know off hands if they still do... But didn't you used to be able to individually lock the facegen? This is a must regardless.

03-04-2014, 05:32 AM	#9
SirMichaelJordan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 2,718	At which retirement? Most players retire then become coaches. I don't want to see a manager thats 60-70 years old but looks 40...

03-04-2014, 08:15 AM	#11
gohorns98 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Flower Mound, TX Posts: 194	I would like to see the game automatically lock a player's facegen at least when they get inducted into the hall of fame. I hate seeing a Walter Johnson in a modern Twins uniform instead of a Senators uniform. It is also sad to look at 102 year old hall of famers.

03-04-2014, 02:14 PM	#16
BMD All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Somewhere raising the Jolly Roger Posts: 515	How about an option where retired players are immeadiately terminated the day after their playing careers are over. It would give veteran players nearing the end of their careers real motivation to earn one more contract. I suggest calling this the Logan's Run Batted In option.