Rule 5 Drafted Players Returned?

[sarcasmo]

I had three players drafted in the most recent Rule 5 draft and all of them are way too young to be playing in the majors, yet the AI teams refuse to return them to me. Is this just the AI team having no other options, or is there a "bug" in OOTP 14 where the AI simply doesn't return Rule 5 drafted players?

Just curious about others experiences with players they lost in the Rule 5 Draft.

TIA!

[bwburke94]

21 is by no means too young. Perhaps the AI values them enough to keep them in the majors.

[JackRules1]

I'm pretty sure I have had one player returned with OOTP14 (a previous version). He appeared in my DFA long after I had forgotten about him.

[byzeil]

If they release them they are returned to your DFA and I believe if they waive them and they are not claimed by anyone they are returned to you otherwise the claiming team assumes the responsibility for the Rule 5 pick.

The process does work in game for the most part based on the last time I tested it. The one issue there used to be, and I don't know that it has been fixed, is that if a team trades a Rule 5 pick to someone else or they are claimed off waivers by someone else, and that new team releases them they go back to the team that traded/waived them instead of the original team. This may have been fixed.

[le receveur]

Originally Posted by sarcasmo

I had three players drafted in the most recent Rule 5 draft and all of them are way too young to be playing in the majors, yet the AI teams refuse to return them to me. Is this just the AI team having no other options, or is there a "bug" in OOTP 14 where the AI simply doesn't return Rule 5 drafted players?

Just curious about others experiences with players they lost in the Rule 5 Draft.

TIA!

why would they return them... Rule 5 picks generally are prospect you are hoping won't do too much damage by staying on your roster for a year.

[le receveur]

Originally Posted by byzeil

If they release them they are returned to your DFA and I believe if they waive them and they are not claimed by anyone they are returned to you otherwise the claiming team assumes the responsibility for the Rule 5 pick.

The process does work in game for the most part based on the last time I tested it. The one issue there used to be, and I don't know that it has been fixed, is that if a team trades a Rule 5 pick to someone else or they are claimed off waivers by someone else, and that new team releases them they go back to the team that traded/waived them instead of the original team. This may have been fixed.

if anything I have seen AI return players that delivered as expected (ie pinch runner, bullpen help), which I thought for a rebuilding team they should have kept

[byzeil]

Originally Posted by byzeil

If they release them they are returned to your DFA and I believe if they waive them and they are not claimed by anyone they are returned to you otherwise the claiming team assumes the responsibility for the Rule 5 pick.

The process does work in game for the most part based on the last time I tested it. The one issue there used to be, and I don't know that it has been fixed, is that if a team trades a Rule 5 pick to someone else or they are claimed off waivers by someone else, and that new team releases them they go back to the team that traded/waived them instead of the original team. This may have been fixed.

I have just tested the issue I stated above and that has been fixed.

As best I can see the Rule 5 draft works the way it is supposed to work.

Edit: If a Rule 5 drafted player is released they return to their original team. If you waive said player and he is claimed the claiming team assumes the Rule 5 responsibilities. If he is not claimed he remains on your roster with the same Rule 5 responsibilities. If you release the player during the season you get charged the remaining value of his contract before he is returned to his original team. If he is claimed on waivers the claiming team assumes the contract.

[sarcasmo]

Thanks, guys. I hated to throw the bug word out there, I was just curious if anyone had ever had their players returned. Since at least one of you has, I assume its simply as I suspected; the AI teams clearly see a reason to keep them.

For the record, these were all AA guys older than 23, so it's not surprising someone would take a chance on them. Looking closer, one of the three is actually having a good year. I was simply curious if there was even a possibility of them being returned (in OOTP; I know the ML rules).

Thanks again!

[le receveur]

Originally Posted by byzeil

I have just tested the issue I stated above and that has been fixed.

As best I can see the Rule 5 draft works the way it is supposed to work.

Edit: If a Rule 5 drafted player is released they return to their original team. If you waive said player and he is claimed the claiming team assumes the Rule 5 responsibilities. If he is not claimed he remains on your roster with the same Rule 5 responsibilities. If you release the player during the season you get charged the remaining value of his contract before he is returned to his original team. If he is claimed on waivers the claiming team assumes the contract.

actually there was one thing that i found that did not work. (in early days when i allowed myself Rule 5 claims).

I claimed someone on rule 5, and later traded him to the original team, where he sat on the roster all year. AI seemed unaware that he could actually send the player down, since it owned his right. I have tested twice more with same results.

[sarcasmo]

Originally Posted by le receveur

actually there was one thing that i found that did not work. (in early days when i allowed myself Rule 5 claims).

I claimed someone on rule 5, and later traded him to the original team, where he sat on the roster all year. AI seemed unaware that he could actually send the player down, since it owned his right. I have tested twice more with same results.

Interesting. Is that really how the rule works? What if I trade for one of my guys? Could I then send him down? My assumption was I would still be bound by the Rule 5 restrictions.

[le receveur]

Originally Posted by sarcasmo

Interesting. Is that really how the rule works? What if I trade for one of my guys? Could I then send him down? My assumption was I would still be bound by the Rule 5 restrictions.

and what would that rule be, you send it back to yourself and get $25,000 back from yourself?

ADD: yes you can send the player down to minors when you get his rights back. Only difference from before is he is now on your 40-man roster, and to remove him you need to go through waivers

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by le receveur

and what would that rule be, you send it back to yourself and get $25,000 back from yourself?

ADD: yes you can send the player down to minors when you get his rights back. Only difference from before is he is now on your 40-man roster, and to remove him you need to go through waivers

Yeah, this is 100% correct.

[sarcasmo]

Originally Posted by le receveur

and what would that rule be, you send it back to yourself and get $25,000 back from yourself?

ADD: yes you can send the player down to minors when you get his rights back. Only difference from before is he is now on your 40-man roster, and to remove him you need to go through waivers

I assume you are being facetious. What I wasn't sure of was that the player no longer has to remain on the 25-man roster. Maybe I'll try to acquire one of them to test out what you said.

I suppose if I really liked them, I should have protected them. If there's a drawback of a deep system its that you can't protect everyone. Since they we A ball players at the time of the draft, I assumed they were safe. I know better now. Learning experience.

[le receveur]

Originally Posted by sarcasmo

I assume you are being facetious. What I wasn't sure of was that the player no longer has to remain on the 25-man roster. Maybe I'll try to acquire one of them to test out what you said.

I suppose if I really liked them, I should have protected them. If there's a drawback of a deep system its that you can't protect everyone. Since they we A ball players at the time of the draft, I assumed they were safe. I know better now. Learning experience.

half facetious, and half not sure what the accounting process is... but this is effectively the result: player is in your system, on the 40-man roster. normal rules apply (ie if he has options you can send him down to minors)

[hefalumps]

I have definitely had players I lost in the Rule 5 draft returned to me. My only complaint was that I didn't get a notification about it - I just happened to be in my Transaction Overview screen and was wondering why my lowest minor league team had so many MRs, and I saw his name. "Wait, didn't I get rid of you?"

Sure enough he'd been returned a couple of weeks ago.