Never seen this before

[David Watts]

Ty Cobb is crushing it in my random debut league. 1971, he hits .389. 1972, Cobb hits .411. I'm now 80 games into 1973 and he's hitting .463. The only thing that seems to be able to slow this guy down is the injury bug. 71, he played in just under 100 games. 72, he managed 111, but missed the last 3 weeks of the season. He missed the first few weeks of the 73 season as well.

I'm using a 132 game schedule. One thing I am trying for this league that I've never used before is "base potentials on entire career." I usually use "based on remaining years."

I've never had a guy sustain that type of average over and extended period before. I usually have guys flirt with .400 for awhile and then steadily creep back into the .300's. Cobb has now played close to 300 games and has a career average over .400.

[Déjà Bru]

Just off the top of my head, Cobb played a good portion of his career in the Dead Ball Era. Take a player who hit as well as he did in those years and fast-forward him to the 1970's (with the league totals from that era in your game?) and maybe it's not so strange to see him doing even better than he did IRL.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

Just off the top of my head, Cobb played a good portion of his career in the Dead Ball Era. Take a player who hit as well as he did in those years and fast-forward him to the 1970's (with the league totals from that era in your game?) and maybe it's not so strange to see him doing even better than he did IRL.

Could be. I've just never seen anyone sustain that type of hot streak. He's only 25, so it will be interesting to see if he can keep it going.

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Could be. I've just never seen anyone sustain that type of hot streak. He's only 25, so it will be interesting to see if he can keep it going.

UBET. Please post here again sometime with an update if you remember.

[jaysdailydose]

He's not on my team, but I've got a 24-year-old Cobb in the first year of my Level Playing Field league, so I can keep you posted on what he does with a league that uses all the same parks/strategy settings every year.

When I was doing simulations to test it, I had a Shoeless Joe that hit over .400 for like the first 9 seasons of his career.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by jaysdailydose

He's not on my team, but I've got a 24-year-old Cobb in the first year of my Level Playing Field league, so I can keep you posted on what he does with a league that uses all the same parks/strategy settings every year.

When I was doing simulations to test it, I had a Shoeless Joe that hit over .400 for like the first 9 seasons of his career.

Yes, please do. I have been reading your dynasty. I love random debut. I'm not using recalc this time around.

[sandman2575]

rookie that i am, i didn't even realize "random debut" was a play style. that's pretty awesome.

...the number of ways to play this game just continues to amaze me... and not just minor variations of gameplay either, but serious differences yielding completely unique experiences.

[fanboy monologue over]

[David Watts]

So Cobb got hurt again. Managed to play in 101 games in 1973 and finished the year hitting .457.

[pstrickert]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Could be. I've just never seen anyone sustain that type of hot streak. He's only 25, so it will be interesting to see if he can keep it going.

I dabbled with a random debut league. As I recall, I scrapped it because someone from the Dead Ball Era was putting up astronomical stats. I determined that the next time I set up such a league I'd edit the DB to exclude Dead Ball Era players.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by pstrickert

I dabbled with a random debut league. As I recall, I scrapped it because someone from the Dead Ball Era was putting up astronomical stats. I determined that the next time I set up such a league I'd edit the DB to exclude Dead Ball Era players.

I actually have thread about that topic in the 15 forum. For me, it's the pre 1900 pitchers that are way too dominant. Lukasberger just suggested to me the idea of editing the DB.

I'm wondering in the case of Cobb if his dominance has something to do with me choosing base potentials on entire career or if it has to do with me upping the default make bad/adjust at bats?

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by pstrickert

I dabbled with a random debut league. As I recall, I scrapped it because someone from the Dead Ball Era was putting up astronomical stats. I determined that the next time I set up such a league I'd edit the DB to exclude Dead Ball Era players.

Markus just posted in the 15 thread that he is adding the option to pick a starting and ending date for random debut players. The problem is solved. Greatest game on earth. Thanks for everything you do as well.

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by David Watts

So Cobb got hurt again. Managed to play in 101 games in 1973 and finished the year hitting .457.

I wonder if they have him set up as injury prone? Actually, I wonder if that is a random setting because it's not in the historical DB, is it?

Originally Posted by pstrickert

I dabbled with a random debut league. As I recall, I scrapped it because someone from the Dead Ball Era was putting up astronomical stats. I determined that the next time I set up such a league I'd edit the DB to exclude Dead Ball Era players.

Kind of what I thought, in theory.

Originally Posted by David Watts

Markus just posted in the 15 thread that he is adding the option to pick a starting and ending date for random debut players. The problem is solved. Greatest game on earth. Thanks for everything you do as well.

This has been an interesting thread. Darn it, I need to combine my bent for fictional play with random historical players. Yes, I will know who they are, which is a drawback to some extent, but it would be cool to have Shoeless Joe, Willie, and Bryce in my outfield!

[jaysdailydose]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Yes, please do. I have been reading your dynasty. I love random debut. I'm not using recalc this time around.

Good to know, I see that people are viewing it, but I never get comments, so I'm glad to know that people are reading. Going to go get to work on another update right now, actually.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

I wonder if they have him set up as injury prone? Actually, I wonder if that is a random setting because it's not in the historical DB, is it?

Kind of what I thought, in theory.

This has been an interesting thread. Darn it, I need to combine my bent for fictional play with random historical players. Yes, I will know who they are, which is a drawback to some extent, but it would be cool to have Shoeless Joe, Willie, and Bryce in my outfield!

I'm not sure what Cobb started out with, but he has worked his way into a fragile status in my game. With the Markus announcement today, I may scrap this league for the time being and play my historical sim. Once I get 15, I will begin random debut again.

Oh and with recalc off, you will know who they are, but you won't always know where they are going to go once you hit play.

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by David Watts

I'm not sure what Cobb started out with, but he has worked his way into a fragile status in my game. With the Markus announcement today, I may scrap this league for the time being and play my historical sim. Once I get 15, I will begin random debut again.

Oh and with recalc off, you will know who they are, but you won't always know where they are going to go once you hit play.

Cooler and cooler!

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by David Watts

I'm wondering in the case of Cobb if his dominance has something to do with me choosing base potentials on entire career or if it has to do with me upping the default make bad/adjust at bats?

Pretty sure it's the make bad/adjust ab's. Upping that makes more guys worse, so leaves a proportionally bigger piece of the statistical pie for the elite players.

The make/bad adjust setting is actually an incredibly powerful tool with enormous influence on the stats of elite players. I don't think most folks really know just how powerful it can be.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

Pretty sure it's the make bad/adjust ab's. Upping that makes more guys worse, so leaves a proportionally bigger piece of the statistical pie for the elite players.

The make/bad adjust setting is actually an incredibly powerful tool with enormous influence on the stats of elite players. I don't think most folks really know just how powerful it can be.

Thanks so much for this. At least I know now what I may need to lower. Prior to this league, i set up a similar random debut league. Again I adjusted the make bad settings for both pitchers and hitters. In this one I simmed a couple of seasons using 4 man rotations, strict, sometimes start the highest rested. Herb Score started 41 games striking out 450+ batters. I thought it was the fact that I chose base potentials on peak seasons that was the cause.