What stats make for a good reliever

ernierichmond · 02-22-2014, 08:50 AM

I have been trying to beef up my relief pitching staff, but it does not seem to be helping... era's are still way too high.

I thought that the basic ones would be movement, stuff and control. then pitch types...

Any thoughts>

le receveur · 02-22-2014, 12:05 PM

I usually use FIP, K/9 and BB/9 to decide who of my fail starters move to relief. I stay away from anyone who gives up high level of HR

will always carry a comple of LH, including an exclusive LOOGY.

though I can't tell you what ERA that produces (never look), but bullpen has always been strenght

The Game · 02-22-2014, 12:24 PM

High movement, high GB % Throws hard 95+, I dont really care too much about BB for MR as long as it is not too outrageous. stuff. pitches that promote throwing hard not that i mind a good knuckler in my pen from time to time but FB pitchers. He is an example of one of the best.

TGH-Adfabre · 02-22-2014, 03:30 PM

The first stat I look at is BABIP, it puts the rest of the stats in context. Then IP, with a low IP one bad game can blow up the rest of the stats. After that I use the old stats, ERA, WHIP, AVG, walk and K rates.

endgame · 02-22-2014, 04:16 PM

Generally, K/9, Movement, Control, and GB%, in that order. IMO, of course only one of those is actually a stat.
Edit: And coming soon......IRS%! Yes!

Marinersfan51 · 02-22-2014, 05:20 PM

Control is significantly less important for relievers than SP. Starters that struggle with control will usually see significant improvement in the bullpen.

JMDurron · 02-23-2014, 01:12 PM

Good fielders make for good reliever ERA as much as actual reliever abilities do, in my experience. If you're adding good relievers and still getting bad results, get better defenders to play behind them.

bwburke94 · 02-23-2014, 02:42 PM

Ratings-wise, I look at stuff first. It's an unusual approach, but it works.

Carlton · 02-24-2014, 09:53 AM

Stat

K/9 + low HR allowed will give you a great bullpen

Painmantle · 02-24-2014, 11:47 AM

Stuff, stuff and more stuff, Movement and 2 very good/great Pitches...a higher GB% is always better. But My Money always go towards "stuff' 1st. I prefer to have both a RH and LH specialist making sure their Stuff against the side they specialize in is max or near it. This philosophy has worked very well for me

Fyrestorm3 · 02-24-2014, 03:50 PM

If you're using ERA to determine a reliever's effectiveness, you're gonna have problems. ERA is a flukey stat at best for starters, nevermind relievers, who could allow three inherited runners to score, lose the game, and come away with a 0.00 ERA if none of "their" runners cross the plate.

Important stats for a reliever are WHIP, K/9, BB/9, and IRS% - anything that tells you how many baserunners the guy allows (we'll have IRS% added in OOTP15). I've also found that Blown Saves can be a decent stat - not Saves, Saves are crap. But Blown Saves tell you how many times a reliever entered a game with a late lead, and gave it up.

le receveur · 02-24-2014, 04:12 PM

most of my better relievers were strong starters in minors and college.

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endgame Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 16,842	Generally, K/9, Movement, Control, and GB%, in that order. IMO, of course only one of those is actually a stat. Edit: And coming soon......IRS%! Yes! __________________ "Try again. Fail again. Fail better." -- Samuel Beckett _____________________________________________

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le receveur All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: canada Posts: 1,736	I usually use FIP, K/9 and BB/9 to decide who of my fail starters move to relief. I stay away from anyone who gives up high level of HR will always carry a comple of LH, including an exclusive LOOGY. though I can't tell you what ERA that produces (never look), but bullpen has always been strenght

02-22-2014, 05:20 PM	#6
Marinersfan51 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 777	Control is significantly less important for relievers than SP. Starters that struggle with control will usually see significant improvement in the bullpen.

02-23-2014, 01:12 PM	#7
JMDurron All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,262	Good fielders make for good reliever ERA as much as actual reliever abilities do, in my experience. If you're adding good relievers and still getting bad results, get better defenders to play behind them.

02-23-2014, 02:42 PM	#8
bwburke94 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Belchertown, MA, USA Posts: 4,507	Ratings-wise, I look at stuff first. It's an unusual approach, but it works.

02-24-2014, 11:47 AM	#10
Painmantle Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Greenfield ,IN Posts: 3,053	Stuff, stuff and more stuff, Movement and 2 very good/great Pitches...a higher GB% is always better. But My Money always go towards "stuff' 1st. I prefer to have both a RH and LH specialist making sure their Stuff against the side they specialize in is max or near it. This philosophy has worked very well for me __________________ “As soon as I got out there I felt a strange relationship with the pitcher's mound. It was as if I'd been born out there. Pitching just felt like the most natural thing in the world. Striking out batters was easy.” -Babe Ruth “Ruth made a grave mistake when he gave up pitching. Working once a week, he might have lasted a long time and become a great star.”-Tris Speaker My Dynasties The Beantown Bambino

02-24-2014, 03:50 PM	#11
Fyrestorm3 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Tampa Bay, Massachusetts Posts: 2,928	If you're using ERA to determine a reliever's effectiveness, you're gonna have problems. ERA is a flukey stat at best for starters, nevermind relievers, who could allow three inherited runners to score, lose the game, and come away with a 0.00 ERA if none of "their" runners cross the plate. Important stats for a reliever are WHIP, K/9, BB/9, and IRS% - anything that tells you how many baserunners the guy allows (we'll have IRS% added in OOTP15). I've also found that Blown Saves can be a decent stat - not Saves, Saves are crap. But Blown Saves tell you how many times a reliever entered a game with a late lead, and gave it up.

02-24-2014, 04:12 PM	#12
le receveur All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: canada Posts: 1,736	most of my better relievers were strong starters in minors and college.