One of my star players says he refuses to negotiate with me further

tejdog1 · 01-09-2014, 04:37 AM

"We seem to be too far apart"

Sure, except I've never once offered him an extension. Soooo... ??

Is there any way to fix this?

jazzrack · 01-09-2014, 04:47 AM

it means he just doesn't want to play for you, or in your city or state. i'd just leave it alone, life's like that sometimes.

but that said you can always go into the editor and edit his contract. I am not sure if you can reset his mood as I have never done it but I don't see why it wouldn't be in there someplace.

Lukas Berger · 01-09-2014, 04:48 AM

He just wants to become a free agent and doesn't want to resign with you. It happens pretty often irl. It's not really something you need to "fix".

Snarf054 · 01-09-2014, 08:46 AM

Trade him to the last place team out of spite.

tejdog1 · 01-09-2014, 08:47 AM

Oh - that actually happens in the game? That's pretty cool - if sucky for me since he's been worth 10.5 WAR over his first 2.5 seasons in the majors, as a catcher. Looks like I'll have to trade him :/

I thought it was something wrong with the game.

r0nster · 01-09-2014, 08:50 AM

I never negotiate contract more than twice in one game day I usually will wait a couple days before negotiating again ..... if you can do without the player then let him go and just go for another replacement and take a look if you can trade him or look at the upcoming free agents pile or hope to trade him right after world series. Things get complicated if the player has a 10/5 rule where he can refuse any trades

tejdog1 · 01-09-2014, 08:55 AM

It's d'Arnaud, so no 10/5 to worry about. I'll keep him til his final year of arby, then deal him, I suppose. The good news is I should be able to get a HAUL for him as an AS catcher at age 30.

conception · 01-09-2014, 10:35 PM

I've been playing a no-trade league for a while now so these players who refuse to re-sign with me are a huge disaster. With trades on, I feel like I can compensate for anything by just dealing the player.

mikestack · 01-11-2014, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by tejdog1

It's d'Arnaud, so no 10/5 to worry about. I'll keep him til his final year of arby, then deal him, I suppose. The good news is I should be able to get a HAUL for him as an AS catcher at age 30.

Happened with him in my leagues too. He's never willing to talk extensions.

Kind of weird, I've seen it 3 or 4 times.

Lukas Berger · 01-11-2014, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mikestack

Happened with him in my leagues too. He's never willing to talk extensions.

Kind of weird, I've seen it 3 or 4 times.

That's funny. I checked him out and he has a high loyalty rating and only a slightly high greed rating, so he shouldn't be completely unwilling to re-sign in game after game

Tyler87898 · 01-11-2014, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by lukasberger

That's funny. I checked him out and he has a high loyalty rating and only a slightly high greed rating, so he shouldn't be completely unwilling to re-sign in game after game

Does the happiness rating have anything to do with negotiations?

le receveur · 01-11-2014, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mikestack

Happened with him in my leagues too. He's never willing to talk extensions.

Kind of weird, I've seen it 3 or 4 times.

in my first simulation he wasn't worth resigning. actually the whole Dickey trade was a bust for both side. RA had career ending injury one year later, Travis put up 1.2 WAR career, and Syndergaard never even made to playoff

Lukas Berger · 01-11-2014, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyler87898

Does the happiness rating have anything to do with negotiations?

I think it does.

RchW · 01-11-2014, 01:09 PM

I don't think enough players in OOTP choose FA. I'd like to see a response that indicates the players will test FA (like v6.5?) but include a willingness to sign back or maybe even a commitment to let you match an outside offer.

DelinoDeShields · 01-12-2014, 05:17 PM

The one modern sim I did, R. A. Dickey got traded around until he became a Marlins MR, retired after a year of 6.85 ERA.

They could have just brought back Hough for half the price and twice the age.

(I made Dickey an HOFer anyway.)

Déjà Bru · 01-14-2014, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by lukasberger

He just wants to become a free agent and doesn't want to resign with you. It happens pretty often irl. It's not really something you need to "fix".

Well not for OP to fix, and not a bug to be fixed. What could be enhanced, however is the message notification system. The message about being "too far apart," which implies differences over money, is being used for other situations like wanting to be a free agent, play for a winner, play closer to home, etc. If each of these could have its own descriptive notification phraseology, that would be a significant improvement, in my opinion.

RchW · 01-14-2014, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

Well not for OP to fix, and not a bug to be fixed. What could be enhanced, however is the message notification system. The message about being "too far apart," which implies differences over money, is being used for other situations like wanting to be a free agent, play for a winner, play closer to home, etc. If each of these could have its own descriptive notification phraseology, that would be a significant improvement, in my opinion.

If realism is the goal then you can't exclude the player not responding at all. This happens in real life. Sometimes there is no definable reason.

rudel.dietrich · 01-14-2014, 07:17 PM

I hope in OOTP 15 teams are less apt to trade for players with expiring contracts or will offer a lot less for them.

Déjà Bru · 01-14-2014, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

If realism is the goal then you can't exclude the player not responding at all. This happens in real life. Sometimes there is no definable reason.

True, but even there it could be "The player refuses to negotiate" or "Sorry, we have nothing to talk about" rather than "We seem to be too far apart."

Same effect, just more descriptive of the situation and cause, that's all.

Bowtie · 01-14-2014, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tejdog1

"We seem to be too far apart"

Sure, except I've never once offered him an extension. Soooo... ??

Is there any way to fix this?

Just tossing my $0.02 in the mix here. If d'Arnaud is within 2 years of becoming a FA then most likely he has his sights set on free agency and is not interested in negotiating an extension with you. As others have said, it does happen in real life. So no, nothing to fix here.

01-09-2014, 04:37 AM	#1
tejdog1 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Danbury, CT Posts: 1,647	One of my star players says he refuses to negotiate with me further "We seem to be too far apart" Sure, except I've never once offered him an extension. Soooo... ?? Is there any way to fix this? __________________ It's amazing How you make your face just like a wall How you take your heart and turn it off How I turn my head and lose it all And it's unnerving How just one move puts me by myself There you go just trusting someone else Now I know I put us both through hell ~Matchbox 20, "Leave" Everyone knows it's spelled "TRAID", not trade

01-09-2014, 04:47 AM	#2
jazzrack Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: still kicking Posts: 3,229	it means he just doesn't want to play for you, or in your city or state. i'd just leave it alone, life's like that sometimes. but that said you can always go into the editor and edit his contract. I am not sure if you can reset his mood as I have never done it but I don't see why it wouldn't be in there someplace. __________________ . "Never confuse composure for ease" Was once Head Cheese of Corporate League Baseball

01-09-2014, 08:47 AM	#5
tejdog1 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Danbury, CT Posts: 1,647	Oh - that actually happens in the game? That's pretty cool - if sucky for me since he's been worth 10.5 WAR over his first 2.5 seasons in the majors, as a catcher. Looks like I'll have to trade him :/ I thought it was something wrong with the game. __________________ It's amazing How you make your face just like a wall How you take your heart and turn it off How I turn my head and lose it all And it's unnerving How just one move puts me by myself There you go just trusting someone else Now I know I put us both through hell ~Matchbox 20, "Leave" Everyone knows it's spelled "TRAID", not trade

01-09-2014, 08:55 AM	#7
tejdog1 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Danbury, CT Posts: 1,647	It's d'Arnaud, so no 10/5 to worry about. I'll keep him til his final year of arby, then deal him, I suppose. The good news is I should be able to get a HAUL for him as an AS catcher at age 30. __________________ It's amazing How you make your face just like a wall How you take your heart and turn it off How I turn my head and lose it all And it's unnerving How just one move puts me by myself There you go just trusting someone else Now I know I put us both through hell ~Matchbox 20, "Leave" Everyone knows it's spelled "TRAID", not trade

01-11-2014, 01:09 PM	#14
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	I don't think enough players in OOTP choose FA. I'd like to see a response that indicates the players will test FA (like v6.5?) but include a willingness to sign back or maybe even a commitment to let you match an outside offer. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

01-09-2014, 04:48 AM	#3
Lukas Berger OOTP Developments Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Nice, Côte d'Azur, France Posts: 21,365	He just wants to become a free agent and doesn't want to resign with you. It happens pretty often irl. It's not really something you need to "fix".

01-09-2014, 08:46 AM	#4
Snarf054 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 127	Trade him to the last place team out of spite.

01-09-2014, 08:50 AM	#6
r0nster Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,053	I never negotiate contract more than twice in one game day I usually will wait a couple days before negotiating again ..... if you can do without the player then let him go and just go for another replacement and take a look if you can trade him or look at the upcoming free agents pile or hope to trade him right after world series. Things get complicated if the player has a 10/5 rule where he can refuse any trades

01-09-2014, 10:35 PM	#8
conception All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,150	I've been playing a no-trade league for a while now so these players who refuse to re-sign with me are a huge disaster. With trades on, I feel like I can compensate for anything by just dealing the player.

01-12-2014, 05:17 PM	#15
DelinoDeShields Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Florida, America. Posts: 54	The one modern sim I did, R. A. Dickey got traded around until he became a Marlins MR, retired after a year of 6.85 ERA. They could have just brought back Hough for half the price and twice the age. (I made Dickey an HOFer anyway.)

01-14-2014, 07:17 PM	#18
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	I hope in OOTP 15 teams are less apt to trade for players with expiring contracts or will offer a lot less for them.