My playoffs are corrupted and I am angry

conception · 01-05-2014, 03:38 AM

Two years in a row I have had weird behavior entering the playoffs. Last year I had a team that qualified for the playoffs twice and ended up playing itself in a series. Since the error was against itself, the game advanced no problem once the series was over. This year, the same team had two entries in the playoffs, one with a bye this time and one without. The team without the bye lost, and the team played again the next round. Now at the end of this next series, the playoffs abruptly end and offseason mode commences, despite the fact that there are 4 teams still alive in the playoffs.

TribeFanInNC · 01-05-2014, 06:56 AM

Can you manually schedule the correct games instead? Odd, I've never seen that behavior. You could enter in a bug ticket as well; maybe one of the tech support people could help (see Sticky post in this forums).

HuachucaThunder · 01-05-2014, 11:09 AM

Are you using the default playoff settings, or the custom settings?

r0nster · 01-05-2014, 12:30 PM

I had it happen once before 2 software updates ago but never happened since. All I had to do was change playoffs settings back to the way I wanted it and it worked just fine.

The Wolf · 01-05-2014, 12:32 PM

Never seen it, but if it happened to me I'd try what ronster suggested.

Fyrestorm3 · 01-05-2014, 03:16 PM

I'd consider posting this as a bug, but it should be a simple fix, if you follow the advice of both TribeFan and r0nster. Since these most recent playoffs are already screwed up, you'd have to manually schedule the proper games yourself. For the future, if you just customize your playoffs and set them to the proper format, it should fix itself. If not, you're going to need one of the techs to take a look at your files.

RchW · 01-05-2014, 03:54 PM

Is there a recent backup before the playoffs?

The Wolf · 01-05-2014, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

Is there a recent backup before the playoffs?

Yeah, that would be Step Two.

conception · 01-05-2014, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Fyrestorm3

I'd consider posting this as a bug, but it should be a simple fix, if you follow the advice of both TribeFan and r0nster. Since these most recent playoffs are already screwed up, you'd have to manually schedule the proper games yourself. For the future, if you just customize your playoffs and set them to the proper format, it should fix itself. If not, you're going to need one of the techs to take a look at your files.

That's the thing - my playoffs are certainly customized properly as I had the same bug occur previously and I made sure to re-do my playoff formatting.

Will my game still recognize a champion if the playoff formatting isn't correct? I get nothing out of playing the series if it's not the series and I can't see it in game history.

conception · 01-05-2014, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

Is there a recent backup before the playoffs?

The most recent backup is week one of the playoffs last year where the bug first occurred. I backed it up to see if anything wonky happened besides the same team twice, and luckily nothing did beyond that. I assumed I'd be able to continue like that this year.

I've been a longtime player so I understand the need to backup consistently, but with a league as large as my own it is simply not feasible to be backing up constantly.

Honorable_Pawn · 01-05-2014, 05:35 PM

Green and Gold demonstarted this quite thoroughly several months ago. This is not new. I'm surprised by the surprise.

conception · 01-05-2014, 05:36 PM

Apparently the problem was that the same spot was listed twice in my custom playoffs. I don't know how this has happened to me twice but there it is again.

Honorable_Pawn · 01-05-2014, 05:43 PM

See here:

conception · 01-05-2014, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Honorable_Pawn

See here:

You can make it out if the team ends up playing itself. After all, it will advance regardless. What happened to me is that the team in question lost to an opponent that went on to face the bye team, which happened to be the same team it just played. The game doesn't schedule the playoff games between the two teams, and if I manually schedule them it just thinks they are a continuation of round 1 instead of round 2.

I may have to invent a reason why there were no playoffs in my league, such as a new European conflict that causes cancellation of games, and move on.

The Wolf · 01-06-2014, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by conception

The most recent backup is week one of the playoffs last year where the bug first occurred. I backed it up to see if anything wonky happened besides the same team twice, and luckily nothing did beyond that. I assumed I'd be able to continue like that this year.

I've been a longtime player so I understand the need to backup consistently, but with a league as large as my own it is simply not feasible to be backing up constantly.

I bet your league isn't any bigger than my main one, and I back it up once a week.

Backups are always feasible. What they may not be is convenient. But they are like tourniquets: you never need one until the day you need one, and then you need it very badly.

Always back up your leagues.

conception · 01-06-2014, 02:15 AM

Since this issue popped up, I've actually had a much bigger fish to fry. My sim times had crawled to the point where it was taking 10 minutes or more to advance a single day. I thought it was something the patch had done, but even on an unpatched OOTP it was suffering the same problem. That's obviously unplayable.

Fortunately, since I did backup as recently as one game year ago, I am able to go back to a version that hasn't incurred these problems. I'm clearing up my database just in case, my league setup demands that I manually delete guys who don't reach a certain level or else too many guys will qualify as "major league" for the game's database to hold. I'm ok with going back the one year as my first round draft pick (this is more close to NFL type setup than MLN) completely tanked.

As I said before, as a longtime player I understand the need for backup, but I can't do them every game month as its simply not worthwhile to backup for substantial time periods for every 2 hours I play the game.

Bowtie · 01-06-2014, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by conception

I've been a longtime player so I understand the need to backup consistently, but with a league as large as my own it is simply not feasible to be backing up constantly.

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Originally Posted by conception

As I said before, as a longtime player I understand the need for backup, but I can't do them every game month as its simply not worthwhile to backup for substantial time periods for every 2 hours I play the game.

I respectfully disagree with what I've highlighted in bold. Quite to the contrary, it is feasible and worthwhile to backup your game every one month or best yet every one week. If your league is as large as you say it is, I would definitely back it up a lot more often that just once per year.

This brings me to ask you this: do you do a full backup of everything? If so, that's why it takes so long. You only need to do a full backup 1 time - as soon as you complete the creation of the game universe. All other subsequent backups only need to be basic. It's really pointless to constantly back up stuff like ballcaps, jerseys, logos and facegens. If you do just a basic backup, it really should take a lot less time.

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

But they are like tourniquets: you never need one until the day you need one, and then you need it very badly.

Here's why you need to do more frequent backups: all it takes is just one corrupt .dat file and your whole game universe could crumble. Ruined would be all that time you spent creating the universe and playing it up to that point. Believe me, not at all any fun. Plus, you can't totally rely on the auto-save function. Even to those .dat files can become corrupt and unusable. Hence, the need for the ole trusty backup. The backup then is akin to the tourniquet that Mr. Wolf stated in his post. You may not need it now but howdy duty the day you do need it.

Honorable_Pawn · 01-06-2014, 08:57 PM

You do not have to back-up in-game. It is way too slow to use OOTP software to do the function that your hard drive can do in seconds. Simply copy the league file and paste somehwere else. Done. (1 minute tops). Or you can actually zip it with Win Rar.

Either way is faster than letting OOTP do it.

conception · 01-07-2014, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Honorable_Pawn

You do not have to back-up in-game. It is way too slow to use OOTP software to do the function that your hard drive can do in seconds. Simply copy the league file and paste somehwere else. Done. (1 minute tops). Or you can actually zip it with Win Rar.

Either way is faster than letting OOTP do it.

My league has tons of player text files and that takes absolutely forever.

01-05-2014, 03:38 AM	#1
conception All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,150	My playoffs are corrupted and I am angry Two years in a row I have had weird behavior entering the playoffs. Last year I had a team that qualified for the playoffs twice and ended up playing itself in a series. Since the error was against itself, the game advanced no problem once the series was over. This year, the same team had two entries in the playoffs, one with a bye this time and one without. The team without the bye lost, and the team played again the next round. Now at the end of this next series, the playoffs abruptly end and offseason mode commences, despite the fact that there are 4 teams still alive in the playoffs.

01-05-2014, 03:54 PM	#7
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01-05-2014, 05:35 PM	#11
Honorable_Pawn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 6,407	Green and Gold demonstarted this quite thoroughly several months ago. This is not new. I'm surprised by the surprise. __________________ PBA Quickstart for OOTP Background Images Collection All PBA games broadcast live on Steam.

01-05-2014, 05:43 PM	#13
Honorable_Pawn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 6,407	See here: __________________ PBA Quickstart for OOTP Background Images Collection All PBA games broadcast live on Steam.

01-06-2014, 02:15 AM	#16
conception All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,150	Since this issue popped up, I've actually had a much bigger fish to fry. My sim times had crawled to the point where it was taking 10 minutes or more to advance a single day. I thought it was something the patch had done, but even on an unpatched OOTP it was suffering the same problem. That's obviously unplayable. Fortunately, since I did backup as recently as one game year ago, I am able to go back to a version that hasn't incurred these problems. I'm clearing up my database just in case, my league setup demands that I manually delete guys who don't reach a certain level or else too many guys will qualify as "major league" for the game's database to hold. I'm ok with going back the one year as my first round draft pick (this is more close to NFL type setup than MLN) completely tanked. As I said before, as a longtime player I understand the need for backup, but I can't do them every game month as its simply not worthwhile to backup for substantial time periods for every 2 hours I play the game. Last edited by conception; 01-06-2014 at 02:17 AM.

01-05-2014, 06:56 AM	#2
TribeFanInNC Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,019	Can you manually schedule the correct games instead? Odd, I've never seen that behavior. You could enter in a bug ticket as well; maybe one of the tech support people could help (see Sticky post in this forums).

01-05-2014, 11:09 AM	#3
HuachucaThunder Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 211	Are you using the default playoff settings, or the custom settings?

01-05-2014, 12:30 PM	#4
r0nster Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,053	I had it happen once before 2 software updates ago but never happened since. All I had to do was change playoffs settings back to the way I wanted it and it worked just fine.

01-05-2014, 03:16 PM	#6
Fyrestorm3 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Tampa Bay, Massachusetts Posts: 2,928	I'd consider posting this as a bug, but it should be a simple fix, if you follow the advice of both TribeFan and r0nster. Since these most recent playoffs are already screwed up, you'd have to manually schedule the proper games yourself. For the future, if you just customize your playoffs and set them to the proper format, it should fix itself. If not, you're going to need one of the techs to take a look at your files.

01-05-2014, 05:36 PM	#12
conception All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,150	Apparently the problem was that the same spot was listed twice in my custom playoffs. I don't know how this has happened to me twice but there it is again.

01-06-2014, 08:57 PM	#18
Honorable_Pawn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 6,407	You do not have to back-up in-game. It is way too slow to use OOTP software to do the function that your hard drive can do in seconds. Simply copy the league file and paste somehwere else. Done. (1 minute tops). Or you can actually zip it with Win Rar. Either way is faster than letting OOTP do it. __________________ PBA Quickstart for OOTP Background Images Collection All PBA games broadcast live on Steam.