Will just let this speak for itself

Hanson Bros · 12-31-2013, 09:47 PM

This guy spent months making a formula to rank the ATG's ... he posted it on FB and it was torn apart in 5 seconds, he started name calling in about 1 minute, deleted it and blocked everyone inside 5 minutes ... hilarious

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Hanson Bros · 12-31-2013, 09:55 PM

I am not even remotely exaggerating on the time line either ... a member of this board will confirm LOL

Thunder · 12-31-2013, 11:38 PM

I didn't see the criticisms on-line, but if you're going to break fighters into categories before you even start, it's suspect . . . and seven categories of opponents for wins and six for losses? Whatever.

Hanson Bros · 01-01-2014, 08:05 AM

Here is the main problem, he claimed it was a formula, yet his opinion decided quality wins and bad losses ... he claims Jack Johnson only had 9 quality wins therefore not included on the list ... can anyone name 10 quality wins for Primo Carnera? ....

No Sam Langford, Harry Wills, Jack Johnson, Alexis Arguello, Salvadore Sanchez on the list yet Primo Carnera?

Look how low Roberto Duran is on the list and Harry Greb behind Jake Lamotta? He has the Klitschko's on the honorable mention list (meaning the qualified for the list but didn't make it) so he is claiming they have 10 quality wins yet Jack Johnson doesn't?

Then when you questioned him on it, he claimed if you didn't believe in his list then you were just buying into propaganda, the second time you questioned him he would call you names and block you ... it was hilarious ...

PWillisTheMan · 01-01-2014, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Hanson Bros

I am not even remotely exaggerating on the time line either ... a member of this board will confirm LOL

LOL, that really is the worst list I've ever seen. Of course I've never seen one from Cap.

bob_bask · 01-01-2014, 09:50 AM

The amount of time that would of taken shows incredible dedication.

He must of spotted the flaws in the criteria he applied as he plied through compiling the data, but seemingly choose to ignore them to finish it off.

What he ended up with is something of nothing.

Bobo Olson, 20th place. Willie Pep, 37th place.

His alarm bells should of been ringing as soon as he started to get the output from his algorithm.

Thunder · 01-01-2014, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bob_bask

His alarm bells should of been ringing as soon as he started to get the output from his algorithm.

Also, when nine of the top 10 fighters of all time are active at the same time, you can probably figure on systemic problems.

I never heard of this guy. Is he just some random fan that posted crap on the internet or should I have heard of him?

PWillisTheMan · 01-01-2014, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Thunder

Also, when nine of the top 10 fighters of all time are active at the same time, you can probably figure on systemic problems.

I never heard of this guy. Is he just some random fan that posted crap on the internet or should I have heard of him?

He's just a clown blogger. I've never read a word of his until he posted that.

Hanson Bros · 01-01-2014, 03:39 PM

I was laughing at how destroyed he got most of the night ...

Cap · 01-01-2014, 04:25 PM

I really love the Boxrec.com site, but have you ever looked at their All-Time rankings for heavyweights? Dempsey is ranked below Nino Valdez and Al McCoy....

Cap

Hanson Bros · 01-01-2014, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Cap

I really love the Boxrec.com site, but have you ever looked at their All-Time rankings for heavyweights? Dempsey is ranked below Nino Valdez and Al McCoy....

Cap

This guy's list made boxrec look legit ... he didn't have Dempsey on his list because in his opinion Dempsey didn't have 10 credible wins .... but Primo Carnera was on his list

Cap · 01-01-2014, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Hanson Bros

This guy's list made boxrec look legit ... he didn't have Dempsey on his list because in his opinion Dempsey didn't have 10 credible wins .... but Primo Carnera was on his list

What a nutjob!

Cap

pilight · 01-05-2014, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Cap

I really love the Boxrec.com site, but have you ever looked at their All-Time rankings for heavyweights? Dempsey is ranked below Nino Valdez and Al McCoy....

Cap

Dempsey is hard to rate properly based on just match data. He spent most of his time as champ not fighting at all, and when he did he carefully avoided the best opponents. He won the title by beating Jess Willard, arguably the worst HW champ of the 20th century, when Willard was 37 years old and hadn't fought in three years. Half of his title defenses were against puffed up LHWs. Watching him on film he looks like an all time great, but rating him on any kind of objective scale based on his results is going to make him come up short.

PWillisTheMan · 01-05-2014, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by pilight

Dempsey is hard to rate properly based on just match data. He spent most of his time as champ not fighting at all, and when he did he carefully avoided the best opponents. He won the title by beating Jess Willard, arguably the worst HW champ of the 20th century, when Willard was 37 years old and hadn't fought in three years. Half of his title defenses were against puffed up LHWs. Watching him on film he looks like an all time great, but rating him on any kind of objective scale based on his results is going to make him come up short.

I think Jack's resume is highly overrated, but he's a top 20 Heavyweight at a minimum.

Hanson Bros · 01-05-2014, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by pilight

Dempsey is hard to rate properly based on just match data. He spent most of his time as champ not fighting at all, and when he did he carefully avoided the best opponents. He won the title by beating Jess Willard, arguably the worst HW champ of the 20th century, when Willard was 37 years old and hadn't fought in three years. Half of his title defenses were against puffed up LHWs. Watching him on film he looks like an all time great, but rating him on any kind of objective scale based on his results is going to make him come up short.

But he has Primo Carnera on the list ... end of story

Cap · 01-05-2014, 06:37 PM

Willard was a lot better in his day than he's given credit for, especially by those Jack Johnson fans who dislike Big Jess for taking the title away. Willard did something that Vitali Klitschko emulated many years later. The Pottawatomie Giant came back after a 4 year layoff and beat then top 10 contender Floyd Johnson who had gone unbeaten in his previous 17 bouts. Not bad for a guy who never really enjoyed boxing or the limelight.

Cap

12-31-2013, 09:47 PM	#1
Hanson Bros Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,006	Will just let this speak for itself This guy spent months making a formula to rank the ATG's ... he posted it on FB and it was torn apart in 5 seconds, he started name calling in about 1 minute, deleted it and blocked everyone inside 5 minutes ... hilarious All-Time Pound-for-Pound Order of Merit by Hamilton's Legacy Co-Efficient \| SEO __________________ LBA UTBA3

12-31-2013, 09:55 PM	#2
Hanson Bros Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,006	I am not even remotely exaggerating on the time line either ... a member of this board will confirm LOL __________________ LBA UTBA3

12-31-2013, 11:38 PM	#3
Thunder Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Connecticut Posts: 3,865	I didn't see the criticisms on-line, but if you're going to break fighters into categories before you even start, it's suspect . . . and seven categories of opponents for wins and six for losses? Whatever. __________________ I like Stats Mostly

01-01-2014, 08:05 AM	#4
Hanson Bros Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,006	Here is the main problem, he claimed it was a formula, yet his opinion decided quality wins and bad losses ... he claims Jack Johnson only had 9 quality wins therefore not included on the list ... can anyone name 10 quality wins for Primo Carnera? .... No Sam Langford, Harry Wills, Jack Johnson, Alexis Arguello, Salvadore Sanchez on the list yet Primo Carnera? Look how low Roberto Duran is on the list and Harry Greb behind Jake Lamotta? He has the Klitschko's on the honorable mention list (meaning the qualified for the list but didn't make it) so he is claiming they have 10 quality wins yet Jack Johnson doesn't? Then when you questioned him on it, he claimed if you didn't believe in his list then you were just buying into propaganda, the second time you questioned him he would call you names and block you ... it was hilarious ... __________________ LBA UTBA3

01-01-2014, 09:50 AM	#6
bob_bask Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 3,387	The amount of time that would of taken shows incredible dedication. He must of spotted the flaws in the criteria he applied as he plied through compiling the data, but seemingly choose to ignore them to finish it off. What he ended up with is something of nothing. Bobo Olson, 20th place. Willie Pep, 37th place. His alarm bells should of been ringing as soon as he started to get the output from his algorithm. __________________ "I occasionally agreed to carry an opponent, almost always in what is known as a tune-up fight. I never considered it morally wrong as long as I was winning the fight. I was never a killer, like some fighters. I never enjoyed knocking out a guy who I knew had no chance to beat me." Sugar Ray Robinson

01-01-2014, 03:39 PM	#9
Hanson Bros Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,006	I was laughing at how destroyed he got most of the night ... __________________ LBA UTBA3

01-01-2014, 04:25 PM	#10
Cap Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Large Province in God's Country Posts: 8,050	I really love the Boxrec.com site, but have you ever looked at their All-Time rankings for heavyweights? Dempsey is ranked below Nino Valdez and Al McCoy.... Cap __________________ "...There were Giants in Those Days.."

01-05-2014, 06:37 PM	#16
Cap Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Large Province in God's Country Posts: 8,050	Willard was a lot better in his day than he's given credit for, especially by those Jack Johnson fans who dislike Big Jess for taking the title away. Willard did something that Vitali Klitschko emulated many years later. The Pottawatomie Giant came back after a 4 year layoff and beat then top 10 contender Floyd Johnson who had gone unbeaten in his previous 17 bouts. Not bad for a guy who never really enjoyed boxing or the limelight. Cap __________________ "...There were Giants in Those Days.."