Who Is the Best Hitter & Pitcher By Decade?

The Game · 12-18-2013, 03:06 AM

In conjunction with the Presidents thread I am going to add one hitter and 1 batter from each decade to my league. It is the ABF starting in 1876. So who is the best use any stats or reasons you want I will even listen to FIP WAR cases. Babe Ruth is set in stone, Koufax is not.
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MASTER LIST
1870's
B - Ross Barnes
P - Tommy Bond

1880's
B -
P -

1890'S
B -
P -

1900'S
B - Honus Wagner
P - Christy Mathewson

1910'S
B - Ty Cobb
P - Walter Johnson

1920'S
B - Babe Ruth
P - Dazzy Vance

1930'S
B -
P - Lefty Grove

1940'S
B -
P -

1950'S
B - Mickey Mantle
P -

1960'S
B -
P -

1970's
B -
P -

1980'S
B -
P - Dave Stieb

1990'S
B - Barry Bonds
P -

2000'S
B - Albert Pujols
P -

2010'S
B - Miguel Cabrera
P -

hfield007 · 12-18-2013, 04:19 AM

MASTER LIST
1870's
B - Ross Barnes
P -Tommy Bond

1880's
B -Cap Anson
P -Tim Keefe

1890'S
B -Ed Delahanty
P - Cy Young

1900'S
B - Honus Wagner
P - Christy Mathewson

1910'S
B - Ty Cobb
P - Walter Johnson

1920'S
B - Babe Ruth
P -Dazzy Vance

1930'S
B - Jimmie Foxx
P -Lefty Grove

1940'S
B - Ted Williams
P -Bob Feller

1950'S
B - Mickey Mantle
P - the ageless Warren Spahn

1960'S
B - Willie Mays
P - I'd take Bob Gibson's entire decade dominating over Sandy Koufax five years

1970's
B - Joe Morgan
P - Tom Seaver

1980'S
B -Wade Boggs
P - Dave Stieb

1990'S
B - Ken Griffey Jr
P - Roger Clemens

2000'S
B - Albert Pujols
P - Johan Santana

2010'S
B - Miguel Cabrera
P -Clayton Kershaw

ukhotstove · 12-18-2013, 07:26 AM

1870's
B - George Wright
P - Tommy Bond

1880's
B - Cap Anson
P - Charley Radbourn

1890'S
B - Dan Brouthers
P - Kid Nicholls

1900'S
B - Honus Wagner
P - Christy Mathewson

1910'S
B - Ty Cobb
P - Walter Johnson

1920'S
B - Babe Ruth
P - Dazzy Vance

1930'S
B - Jimmie Foxx
P - Lefty Grove

1940'S
B - Stan Musial
P - Hal Newhouser

1950'S
B - Mickey Mantle
P - Warren Spahn

1960'S
B - Hank Aaron
P - Juan Marichal

1970's
B - Rod Carew
P - Steve Carlton

1980'S
B - Wade Boggs
P - Bob Welch

1990'S
B - Ken Griffey jr
P - Greg Maddux

2000'S
B - Albert Pujols
P - Randy Johnson

2010'S
B - Miguel Cabrera
P - Clayton Kershaw

The Game · 12-18-2013, 09:49 AM

Very few players to debate on your lists hfield & UK. UK i was gonna challenge you on Old Hoss Radbourn with Bobby Mathews then I just looked at Old Hoss' stats. 309 Wins with a 48 & 59 win season in there. So much for me wanting Mathews. Keefe vs Radbourn, wow, cant go wrong either way. H BoB Gibson did have the better decade, Koufax dominated for the 1st 5 years though, so still up for debate. I prefer Randy Johnson over Santana but lets see what others say.

Snarf054 · 12-18-2013, 12:32 PM

I was going to debate Verlander vs Kershaw but Verlander kind of wraps around from late 00's to 10's. Plus he really didn't help my arguement this year.

rpriske · 12-18-2013, 01:33 PM

Bonds?

Mr. Baseball · 12-18-2013, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by rpriske

Bonds?

Who?

ukhotstove · 12-18-2013, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Game

Very few players to debate on your lists hfield & UK. UK i was gonna challenge you on Old Hoss Radbourn with Bobby Mathews then I just looked at Old Hoss' stats. 309 Wins with a 48 & 59 win season in there. So much for me wanting Mathews. Keefe vs Radbourn, wow, cant go wrong either way. H BoB Gibson did have the better decade, Koufax dominated for the 1st 5 years though, so still up for debate. I prefer Randy Johnson over Santana but lets see what others say.

They were the 2 years he started 141 games and completed 139 of them, I think his arm must have fell off in the 2 he didn't complete

r0nster · 12-18-2013, 01:48 PM

Barry bonds on list why????

actionjackson · 12-18-2013, 02:20 PM

1870's
B - Ross Barnes
P - Tommy Bond

1880's
B - Roger Connor
P - Tim Keefe

1890's
B - Billy Hamilton
P - Kid Nichols

1900's
B - Honus Wagner
P - Cy Young

1910's
B - Ty Cobb
P - Walter Johnson

1920's
B - Babe Ruth
P - Dazzy Vance

1930's
B - Lou Gehrig
P - Lefty Grove

1940's
B - Ted Williams
P - Hal Newhouser

1950's
B - Mickey Mantle
P - Robin Roberts

1960's
B - Willie Mays
P - Juan Marichal

1970's
B - Joe Morgan
P - Tom Seaver

1980's
B - Rickey Henderson
P - Dave Stieb

1990's
B - Barry Bonds
P - Roger Clemens

2000's
B - Alex Rodriguez
P - Randy Johnson

2010's
B - Robinson Cano (but let's face it this decade's gonna belong to Mike Trout)

P - Clayton Kershaw

Tyler87898 · 12-18-2013, 02:22 PM

2000s gotta have Bonds in my not so important opinion.

ukhotstove · 12-18-2013, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyler87898

2000s gotta have Bonds in my not so important opinion.

Bat wise his stats are pretty much the same ss Griffey, shade more in fact but Griffey gained a Gold Glove every season in that decade at an harder position than Bonds that's why personally I went for Griffey over Bonds.

hfield007 · 12-18-2013, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ukhotstove

They were the 2 years he started 141 games and completed 139 of them, I think his arm must have fell off in the 2 he didn't complete

There is debate on how often he threw over hand.

actionjackson · 12-18-2013, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyler87898

2000s gotta have Bonds in my not so important opinion.

I think you mean the 1990's. A-Roid and Pujols were clearly ahead of Bonds in the 2000's because Bonds was limited to 4000ish PA, while they had 6000+.

The Game · 12-19-2013, 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rpriske

Bonds?

I agree with you but where do you put him? Griffey had the better decade of the 90's at least as far as popularity Bonds success was 98-2003 when he was on steroids. Yes i know he has 3 MVPS in the 90's yes he is a 40-40 guy before he was on steroids. I dunno. I feel bad not having one without the other.

The Game · 12-19-2013, 01:22 AM

Why are some of you going with Stieb in the 80's? WhileIi like him I never though him to be the best pitcher of the 80's. Orel Hershiser, maybe Saberhagen.

jazzrack · 12-19-2013, 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Game

Why are some of you going with Stieb in the 80's? WhileIi like him I never though him to be the best pitcher of the 80's. Orel Hershiser, maybe Saberhagen.

Hershiser, Gooden or Valenzuela. with a strong nod to Tudor

I would lean to Fernando but it's a personal thing, I just loved to watch him pitch.

hfield007 · 12-19-2013, 02:11 AM

Because stieb b had 7 all stars and was very good straight through the 80s from point a to B. I'll take ten good years over five.

actionjackson · 12-19-2013, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Game

Why are some of you going with Stieb in the 80's? WhileIi like him I never though him to be the best pitcher of the 80's. Orel Hershiser, maybe Saberhagen.

Top 10 in pitching rWAR in the 1980's (1980-1989):

Stieb 48.5
Blyleven 38.1
Clemens 35.7
Welch 35.3
Valenzuela 33.1
Hershiser 32.9
Saberhagen 32.3
Tudor 31.3
Gooden 30.7
Hough 30.6

1.0 rWAR per year is very significant in my books and it puts him over the top. He would've had a bushel full of Cy Young Awards had it not been for the pitcher win bias and the team he pitched in the middle of nowhere for.

actionjackson · 12-19-2013, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The Game

I agree with you but where do you put him? Griffey had the better decade of the 90's at least as far as popularity Bonds success was 98-2003 when he was on steroids. Yes i know he has 3 MVPS in the 90's yes he is a 40-40 guy before he was on steroids. I dunno. I feel bad not having one without the other.

Not only was he a 40/40 guy however many times he did it, he was damn near a 40/40 guy for the decade of the 1990's with 361 HR and 343 SB for the decade. He's the 1990's guy unless you want to discount him for the roids. Then it's Griffey Jr., but Bonds (the nasty piece of work that he was) is definitely ahead of Jr.

12-18-2013, 03:06 AM	#1
The Game Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Inside The Game Posts: 30,937	Who Is the Best Hitter & Pitcher By Decade? In conjunction with the Presidents thread I am going to add one hitter and 1 batter from each decade to my league. It is the ABF starting in 1876. So who is the best use any stats or reasons you want I will even listen to FIP WAR cases. Babe Ruth is set in stone, Koufax is not. bold=set MASTER LIST 1870's B - Ross Barnes P - Tommy Bond 1880's B - P - 1890'S B - P - 1900'S B - Honus Wagner P - Christy Mathewson 1910'S B - Ty Cobb P - Walter Johnson 1920'S B - Babe Ruth P - Dazzy Vance 1930'S B - P - Lefty Grove 1940'S B - P - 1950'S B - Mickey Mantle P - 1960'S B - P - 1970's B - P - 1980'S B - P - Dave Stieb 1990'S B - Barry Bonds P - 2000'S B - Albert Pujols P - 2010'S B - Miguel Cabrera P - __________________ Go today don't wait for tomorrow It isn't promised, all the time you get borrowed Don't live your life for other people Don't bottle your emotions till they crack and fill a couple just sorrows Take your mind and refocus go get a paper write your goals out Throw your middle fingers to all your haters "Stay Strong" Last edited by The Game; 01-05-2014 at 10:54 PM.

12-18-2013, 07:26 AM	#3
ukhotstove Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: North of England Gods Country Posts: 7,175	1870's B - George Wright P - Tommy Bond 1880's B - Cap Anson P - Charley Radbourn 1890'S B - Dan Brouthers P - Kid Nicholls 1900'S B - Honus Wagner P - Christy Mathewson 1910'S B - Ty Cobb P - Walter Johnson 1920'S B - Babe Ruth P - Dazzy Vance 1930'S B - Jimmie Foxx P - Lefty Grove 1940'S B - Stan Musial P - Hal Newhouser 1950'S B - Mickey Mantle P - Warren Spahn 1960'S B - Hank Aaron P - Juan Marichal 1970's B - Rod Carew P - Steve Carlton 1980'S B - Wade Boggs P - Bob Welch 1990'S B - Ken Griffey jr P - Greg Maddux 2000'S B - Albert Pujols P - Randy Johnson 2010'S B - Miguel Cabrera P - Clayton Kershaw __________________ Detroit Diesel Dynasty San Antonio Calzones of Laredo Dynasty

12-18-2013, 09:49 AM	#4
The Game Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Inside The Game Posts: 30,937	Very few players to debate on your lists hfield & UK. UK i was gonna challenge you on Old Hoss Radbourn with Bobby Mathews then I just looked at Old Hoss' stats. 309 Wins with a 48 & 59 win season in there. So much for me wanting Mathews. Keefe vs Radbourn, wow, cant go wrong either way. H BoB Gibson did have the better decade, Koufax dominated for the 1st 5 years though, so still up for debate. I prefer Randy Johnson over Santana but lets see what others say. __________________ Go today don't wait for tomorrow It isn't promised, all the time you get borrowed Don't live your life for other people Don't bottle your emotions till they crack and fill a couple just sorrows Take your mind and refocus go get a paper write your goals out Throw your middle fingers to all your haters "Stay Strong"

12-19-2013, 01:22 AM	#16
The Game Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Inside The Game Posts: 30,937	Why are some of you going with Stieb in the 80's? WhileIi like him I never though him to be the best pitcher of the 80's. Orel Hershiser, maybe Saberhagen. __________________ Go today don't wait for tomorrow It isn't promised, all the time you get borrowed Don't live your life for other people Don't bottle your emotions till they crack and fill a couple just sorrows Take your mind and refocus go get a paper write your goals out Throw your middle fingers to all your haters "Stay Strong"

12-18-2013, 04:19 AM	#2
hfield007 All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,713	MASTER LIST 1870's B - Ross Barnes P -Tommy Bond 1880's B -Cap Anson P -Tim Keefe 1890'S B -Ed Delahanty P - Cy Young 1900'S B - Honus Wagner P - Christy Mathewson 1910'S B - Ty Cobb P - Walter Johnson 1920'S B - Babe Ruth P -Dazzy Vance 1930'S B - Jimmie Foxx P -Lefty Grove 1940'S B - Ted Williams P -Bob Feller 1950'S B - Mickey Mantle P - the ageless Warren Spahn 1960'S B - Willie Mays P - I'd take Bob Gibson's entire decade dominating over Sandy Koufax five years 1970's B - Joe Morgan P - Tom Seaver 1980'S B -Wade Boggs P - Dave Stieb 1990'S B - Ken Griffey Jr P - Roger Clemens 2000'S B - Albert Pujols P - Johan Santana 2010'S B - Miguel Cabrera P -Clayton Kershaw

12-18-2013, 12:32 PM	#5
Snarf054 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 127	I was going to debate Verlander vs Kershaw but Verlander kind of wraps around from late 00's to 10's. Plus he really didn't help my arguement this year.

12-18-2013, 01:33 PM	#6
rpriske Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Spencerville, ON, Canada Posts: 26,678	Bonds?

12-18-2013, 01:48 PM	#9
r0nster Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,053	Barry bonds on list why????

12-18-2013, 02:20 PM	#10
actionjackson Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 6,181	1870's B - Ross Barnes P - Tommy Bond 1880's B - Roger Connor P - Tim Keefe 1890's B - Billy Hamilton P - Kid Nichols 1900's B - Honus Wagner P - Cy Young 1910's B - Ty Cobb P - Walter Johnson 1920's B - Babe Ruth P - Dazzy Vance 1930's B - Lou Gehrig P - Lefty Grove 1940's B - Ted Williams P - Hal Newhouser 1950's B - Mickey Mantle P - Robin Roberts 1960's B - Willie Mays P - Juan Marichal 1970's B - Joe Morgan P - Tom Seaver 1980's B - Rickey Henderson P - Dave Stieb 1990's B - Barry Bonds P - Roger Clemens 2000's B - Alex Rodriguez P - Randy Johnson 2010's B - Robinson Cano (but let's face it this decade's gonna belong to Mike Trout) P - Clayton Kershaw

12-18-2013, 02:22 PM	#11
Tyler87898 All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 794	2000s gotta have Bonds in my not so important opinion.

12-19-2013, 02:11 AM	#18
hfield007 All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,713	Because stieb b had 7 all stars and was very good straight through the 80s from point a to B. I'll take ten good years over five.