Players Signing Contracts Directly with Minor League Teams

hefalumps · 12-06-2013, 10:55 AM

I'd noticed this before, and it's not a big deal, but I'm curious why it's happening and if there's a setting I can use to change it.

I released a scrub in my minor league system. A week or so later I went to the FA listing to see if anyone had picked him up yet, and he was gone. So I checked the Major League transaction logs. No one was listed as signing him. So I clicked on his name from the log entry where my organization released him, and I found him playing on a minor league affiliate of the Dodgers. When I looked at the player's transaction history, it shows he was released by the St. Louis Browns "organization", but he signed a minor league contract with the Montreal Royals "organization". So he didn't sign a minor league contract with the Dodgers "organization", he was signed directly by the minor league affiliate.

When my team signs players to a minor league contract, it use the major league team name (i.e. "Signed a minor league contract with the St. Louis Browns organization"). Curious why it seems to be different for AI teams.

So I'm not sure what to make of this. Do all AI managed teams have their affiliates sign minor league players directly? Or is it sometimes the major league team and sometimes the minor league team? I don't remember this being an issue until recent versions. I assumed that in real life the major league club made the signings and then assigned personnel to the affiliates - I didn't think the individual teams signed players - but maybe I'm wrong.

Just curious if this is "normal", and if it's not, is it a bug? Is there a setting I can set somewhere to prevent *affiliated* minor league teams from signing players and force the major league teams to do it instead? Like I said, it's not a big deal, but it's harder to track player movement because signings made by minor league teams don't show up in the major league transaction logs.

Thanks!

injury log · 12-06-2013, 11:20 AM

The Major League team is signing the players to minor league contracts. The history entry is just wrong. I also don't recall seeing this behaviour in prior versions of OOTP, though I see it routinely in OOTP14, and if it was an intentional change, it's a bad change. As a consequence, it means minor league FA signings don't show up in MLB team transactions logs, even though all the minor league promotion/demotions do, which obviously makes no sense.

hefalumps · 12-06-2013, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by injury log

The Major League team is signing the players to minor league contracts. The history entry is just wrong. I also don't recall seeing this behaviour in prior versions of OOTP, though I see it routinely in OOTP14, and if it was an intentional change, it's a bad change. As a consequence, it means minor league FA signings don't show up in MLB team transactions logs, even though all the minor league promotion/demotions do, which obviously makes no sense.

Yup.

Markus, any chance we can get this looked at for OOTP15? It made sense for *unaffiliated* minor league teams that were independent and signing their own players - but for affiliated teams it doesn't make much sense.

endgame · 12-06-2013, 01:10 PM

Do these show up under the All Transactions tab?

hefalumps · 12-06-2013, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by endgame

Do these show up under the All Transactions tab?

Only if you switch from your Major League to the appropriate Minor League and look at that league's "All Transactions" log.

Now one thing about my league - I currently only have one level of minor leagues (AAA). I haven't yet expanded to multiple levels because I don't use fictional or ghost players, and when I start a league I barely have enough players to fill one level of minors. I wonder if that has anything to do with it, because I've previously always played with multiple levels of minors.

Just a thought.

pjh5165 · 12-06-2013, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by hefalumps

Only if you switch from your Major League to the appropriate Minor League and look at that league's "All Transactions" log.

Now one thing about my league - I currently only have one level of minor leagues (AAA). I haven't yet expanded to multiple levels because I don't use fictional or ghost players, and when I start a league I barely have enough players to fill one level of minors. I wonder if that has anything to do with it, because I've previously always played with multiple levels of minors.

Just a thought.

Nah, it still does this with multiple levels of minors. It's even more confusing because I play in a 30 team fictional with 7 levels of minors so I literally have no idea what organization 80% of the teams are in.

I would also like to see this fixed.

RchW · 12-06-2013, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by injury log

The Major League team is signing the players to minor league contracts. The history entry is just wrong. I also don't recall seeing this behaviour in prior versions of OOTP, though I see it routinely in OOTP14, and if it was an intentional change, it's a bad change. As a consequence, it means minor league FA signings don't show up in MLB team transactions logs, even though all the minor league promotion/demotions do, which obviously makes no sense.

It must be specific to a league or league type or set up because it doesn't happen in the league I play.

From left to right MLB transactions, Baltimore transactions and one of the three player history tabs

Am I missing something?

injury log · 12-06-2013, 06:07 PM

Not sure, Rich. I do occasionally see minor league FA signings listed in transactions logs, just like you're seeing, but about 90% of the time they aren't mentioned. It's possible that they are listed in the offseason, but not at other times. It's an easily reproducible issue though; just expand a league by 2 teams, don't hold any kind of draft, and watch the AI team transaction log. One day out of the blue there will be 200 promotions and demotions of guys with no record of ever having signed a contract.

RchW · 12-06-2013, 07:00 PM

OK I did some more poking around out of curiosity and it seems to be a v13 issue based on my league history.

See below. The appearance of signing with minor league teams occurs during my use of v13 and goes back to normal with my switch to v14 for the 2064 season. I checked and the problem exists back to my switch from v12 to v13. It doesn't seem to exist in v12 but my player histories are corrupted so I can't be sure.

Very strange. I wonder if this is another patch related problem?

endgame · 12-06-2013, 07:25 PM

Okay, I've logged it in the appropriate area for Markus to review. I can't even speculate how quickly we'll have a response, but I'll check in here once we do.

hefalumps · 12-07-2013, 11:13 AM

Well my league was started with v14 and I'm seeing the minor league team signings. Maybe it's possible that BOTH major league teams AND minor league teams are signing players, and there are different circumstances that determine whether the major or minor league team gets recorded as signing it.

Let me dig through my archived transaction logs and see if I can find a pattern.

hefalumps · 12-07-2013, 10:41 PM

OK so I checked my transaction logs and I have a mix of major league teams handing out minor league contracts AND minor league teams handing out minor league contracts. Haven't figured out a rhyme or reason yet but still digging.

hefalumps · 12-07-2013, 11:27 PM

Alright - between March and April 5th, all the minor league contracts getting handed out were by *major* league teams.

Then on April 9th (which was the start of the Minor League's regular season), the minor league affiliates started handing out a bunch of minor league contracts to the scrubs that were still on the FA board.

On April 11th, the Major League Senators handed out two minor league contracts. Major League's regular season started on April 13th. It's possible these two contracts were split contracts - hard to know for sure as they were "purchased" by the big league club as soon as they were signed.

And then after that, all the minor league contracts handed out were from minor league teams.

So I dunno. Next time I start a season, I'll pay closer attention to this. But it seems as if the affiliates are occasionally acting independently of their parent team when signing players, specifically after the minor league regular season starts.

I also noticed that when a minor league affiliate releases a player, the release seems to show up in both the Major League transaction log AND the minor league transaction log.

So yeah, this area could definitely use a little clarification for OOTP15. Thanks!

le receveur · 12-22-2013, 07:56 PM

here is one i found interesting: Carbajal was released by the Cards, and then signed by their affiliate 2 months later. Even weirder, he was moved from his signing and never played for Jupiter in 2034 (went to Johnson City the other rookie farm team)

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12-06-2013, 10:55 AM	#1
hefalumps All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,387	Players Signing Contracts Directly with Minor League Teams I'd noticed this before, and it's not a big deal, but I'm curious why it's happening and if there's a setting I can use to change it. I released a scrub in my minor league system. A week or so later I went to the FA listing to see if anyone had picked him up yet, and he was gone. So I checked the Major League transaction logs. No one was listed as signing him. So I clicked on his name from the log entry where my organization released him, and I found him playing on a minor league affiliate of the Dodgers. When I looked at the player's transaction history, it shows he was released by the St. Louis Browns "organization", but he signed a minor league contract with the Montreal Royals "organization". So he didn't sign a minor league contract with the Dodgers "organization", he was signed directly by the minor league affiliate. When my team signs players to a minor league contract, it use the major league team name (i.e. "Signed a minor league contract with the St. Louis Browns organization"). Curious why it seems to be different for AI teams. So I'm not sure what to make of this. Do all AI managed teams have their affiliates sign minor league players directly? Or is it sometimes the major league team and sometimes the minor league team? I don't remember this being an issue until recent versions. I assumed that in real life the major league club made the signings and then assigned personnel to the affiliates - I didn't think the individual teams signed players - but maybe I'm wrong. Just curious if this is "normal", and if it's not, is it a bug? Is there a setting I can set somewhere to prevent affiliated minor league teams from signing players and force the major league teams to do it instead? Like I said, it's not a big deal, but it's harder to track player movement because signings made by minor league teams don't show up in the major league transaction logs. Thanks!

12-06-2013, 01:10 PM	#4
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12-06-2013, 07:00 PM	#9
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	OK I did some more poking around out of curiosity and it seems to be a v13 issue based on my league history. See below. The appearance of signing with minor league teams occurs during my use of v13 and goes back to normal with my switch to v14 for the 2064 season. I checked and the problem exists back to my switch from v12 to v13. It doesn't seem to exist in v12 but my player histories are corrupted so I can't be sure. Very strange. I wonder if this is another patch related problem? Attached Images __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

12-06-2013, 07:25 PM	#10
endgame Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 16,842	Okay, I've logged it in the appropriate area for Markus to review. I can't even speculate how quickly we'll have a response, but I'll check in here once we do. __________________ "Try again. Fail again. Fail better." -- Samuel Beckett _____________________________________________

12-07-2013, 11:27 PM	#13
hefalumps All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,387	Alright - between March and April 5th, all the minor league contracts getting handed out were by major league teams. Then on April 9th (which was the start of the Minor League's regular season), the minor league affiliates started handing out a bunch of minor league contracts to the scrubs that were still on the FA board. On April 11th, the Major League Senators handed out two minor league contracts. Major League's regular season started on April 13th. It's possible these two contracts were split contracts - hard to know for sure as they were "purchased" by the big league club as soon as they were signed. And then after that, all the minor league contracts handed out were from minor league teams. So I dunno. Next time I start a season, I'll pay closer attention to this. But it seems as if the affiliates are occasionally acting independently of their parent team when signing players, specifically after the minor league regular season starts. I also noticed that when a minor league affiliate releases a player, the release seems to show up in both the Major League transaction log AND the minor league transaction log. So yeah, this area could definitely use a little clarification for OOTP15. Thanks! Last edited by hefalumps; 12-07-2013 at 11:36 PM.

12-06-2013, 11:20 AM	#2
injury log Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 9,162	The Major League team is signing the players to minor league contracts. The history entry is just wrong. I also don't recall seeing this behaviour in prior versions of OOTP, though I see it routinely in OOTP14, and if it was an intentional change, it's a bad change. As a consequence, it means minor league FA signings don't show up in MLB team transactions logs, even though all the minor league promotion/demotions do, which obviously makes no sense.

12-06-2013, 06:07 PM	#8
injury log Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 9,162	Not sure, Rich. I do occasionally see minor league FA signings listed in transactions logs, just like you're seeing, but about 90% of the time they aren't mentioned. It's possible that they are listed in the offseason, but not at other times. It's an easily reproducible issue though; just expand a league by 2 teams, don't hold any kind of draft, and watch the AI team transaction log. One day out of the blue there will be 200 promotions and demotions of guys with no record of ever having signed a contract.

12-07-2013, 11:13 AM	#11
hefalumps All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,387	Well my league was started with v14 and I'm seeing the minor league team signings. Maybe it's possible that BOTH major league teams AND minor league teams are signing players, and there are different circumstances that determine whether the major or minor league team gets recorded as signing it. Let me dig through my archived transaction logs and see if I can find a pattern.

12-07-2013, 10:41 PM	#12
hefalumps All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,387	OK so I checked my transaction logs and I have a mix of major league teams handing out minor league contracts AND minor league teams handing out minor league contracts. Haven't figured out a rhyme or reason yet but still digging.

12-22-2013, 07:56 PM	#14
le receveur All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: canada Posts: 1,736	here is one i found interesting: Carbajal was released by the Cards, and then signed by their affiliate 2 months later. Even weirder, he was moved from his signing and never played for Jupiter in 2034 (went to Johnson City the other rookie farm team)