This is just... unfair...

[Tyler87898]

Wow.

Using the updated rosters quickstart that came out recently. 2015 season. Your move, Kershaw.

[D-BacksJosh]

Randy Johnson would like to know what's going on here.

[jaysdailydose]

Can we also see a screeny of Clayton, also keeping in mind he's a lefty?

[Tyler87898]

Originally Posted by jaysdailydose

Can we also see a screeny of Clayton, also keeping in mind he's a lefty?

Here you go.

[Mister_G]

I have a quick-start that is basically edited from the one that came out with the game. I made Kershaw even better, yet Strasburg always seems to completely dominate over everyone else.

[ThatSeventiesGuy]

Looks like Clayton got hurt in 2014. Maybe it affected his stats in 2015? Strasburg's leaving him in the dust, at any rate.

[Déjà Bru]

What strikes me here, as a fictional player, is the blurb about Strasburg caring more about himself than the team. I naturally accept that in my fictional world whenever I see it but how did the roster makers come up with that assessment about a real player? Or such assessments about any real players?

[Tyler87898]

Originally Posted by ThatSeventiesGuy

Looks like Clayton got hurt in 2014. Maybe it affected his stats in 2015? Strasburg's leaving him in the dust, at any rate.

Also, Kershaw has some high babips.

[Painmantle]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

What strikes me here, as a fictional player, is the blurb about Strasburg caring more about himself than the team. I naturally accept that in my fictional world whenever I see it but how did the roster makers come up with that assessment about a real player? Or such assessments about any real players?

Player Personality traits are directly related to their actual personality ratings and are not indicative of how a player really is in real life. Or maybe they are, players have a reputation for things like that, but it is most likely kinda random in this game

I'll translate for you:

"He has a good head on his shoulders and works as hard as anyone" = He has a high intelligence and work ethic

"BUT, He cares more about himself than he does the team" = He isn't Very Loyal and probably not a leader


My guess is most players have a reputation that is pretty well known or actually scouted, but that doesn't mean it isn't kind of random in this game

They are just generic descriptions that tell us a little about his actual personality ratings without actually having to look at the BNN Page of the player to see the Very high, high, normal, low, very low ratings of the player

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

What strikes me here, as a fictional player, is the blurb about Strasburg caring more about himself than the team. I naturally accept that in my fictional world whenever I see it but how did the roster makers come up with that assessment about a real player? Or such assessments about any real players?

We really don't mess around with the personality traits too much when making the rosters. If someone's unusually noted for having a high work ethic, changing teams often, being really intelligent, maybe being a Boras client, or being team captain and a good leader, to give some examples, we might change the personality ratings to reflect that, but for 99% of the players in the roster set the personality ratings are pretty well random and generally more or less neutral.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by Painmantle

I'll translate for you:

"He has a good head on his shoulders and works as hard as anyone" = He has a high intelligence and work ethic

"BUT, He cares more about himself than he does the team" = He isn't Very Loyal and probably not a leader


My guess is most players have a reputation that is pretty well known or actually scouted, but that doesn't mean it isn't kind of random in this game

Almost exactly right.

The intelligence and work ethic are exactly correct.

Though leadership is actually very neutral for Strasburg. So it's not influencing anything in the description.

The cares more about self than team is more influenced by his having a high greed rating along with lowish loyalty and a low "play for winner" value.

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

We really don't mess around with the personality traits too much when making the rosters. If someone's unusually noted for having a high work ethic, or changing teams often f.e. we might change the personality ratings to reflect that, but for 99% of the players in the roster set the personality ratings are pretty well random and generally more or less neutral.

Not putting ANY pressure or criticism on you guys whatsoever, but if I were a historical/modern day actual player, I think this would bother me. I know that personality traits have an effect on player performance and team results. Anybody that you left with low intelligence or low work ethic is not going to play as well in the game as in real life, for example. Again, not a criticism but a point to remember, I think. One more reason for me to prefer the fictional worlds that I create.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

Not putting ANY pressure or criticism on you guys whatsoever, but if I were a historical/modern day actual player, I think this would bother me. I know that personality traits have an effect on player performance and team results. Anybody that you left with low intelligence or low work ethic is not going to play as well in the game as in real life, for example. Again, not a criticism but a point to remember, I think. One more reason for me to prefer the fictional worlds that I create.

Well for 95% or the players, it's just hard to get that kind of info. For example, how would you rate Strasburg in all those categories? What criteria is there to use? Now ask that question and try to find the data 10,000 or more times for all the active players in the MLB quickstart. You can see the issues involved.

As I check, I can see that Strasburg was actually given his personality ratings manually. For some it's clear why. High greed, low winning team and lowish loyalty are likely because he's a Boras client.

For those who are well known and have enough info available to make those kind of decisions, we do change their personality ratings.

Jeter is great across the board, for obvious reasons. But for most guys, it's hard to have solid criteria to rate their personalities and feel good about being accurate.

That being said, this got me interested enough to look through the db at the history of the ratings changes. I see that the personality traits have actually been changed for a lot of players. I guess I may have spoken too soon.

It's not something I do much of since I'm mostly focused on prospects and draft eligible guys, who have very little personality info available. Apparently though, the guys who deal with MLB players make more changes to personality traits than I was aware of.

EDIT: Just to add some info about this, since it's a very good point.

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

Anybody that you left with low intelligence or low work ethic is not going to play as well in the game as in real life, for example. Again, not a criticism but a point to remember, I think.

The editor we use to create players actually generates very neutral personality ratings for everyone. So no one's going to get really low ratings by accident. If they are really low or high then they were likely manually set by us.

[injury log]

I've manually edited a lot of the personality ratings in the roster database, when there's reliable info to go on. If a scouting report mentions a player's exemplary work ethic (Jurickson Profar, say), or if it mentions 'makeup problems', laziness, uncoachability or whatever (Jordany Valdespin, say), I've edited personality ratings accordingly. It wouldn't surprise me if some of those changes have been overwritten or reset over time, but I've done it for quite a few players. Newly created players should have been given very neutral personalities by default, however.

Strasburg gets a high Greed rating in the roster set because the Greed rating affects contract negotiations, and in the only contract negotiation Strasburg has been involved in so far, he demanded the largest draft contract in history. The text you see in the player profile reflects that, though that text wasn't specifically chosen by the roster makers; the game has a pool of text descriptions for each general set of personality ratings and chooses one at random.

I'm not sure how many real life players play OOTP (I know of a few) but I do think we should make a point of giving any we know of high Intelligence ratings (they're training to be GMs after all!) and at least reasonably good personality ratings overall. Not sure if we've done that though.

[BaseballAddict32]

Matt Harvey's control rating is a joke. Dude doesn't walk many people yet this game has him everywhere with the ball.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by BaseballAddict32

Matt Harvey's control rating is a joke. Dude doesn't walk many people yet this game has him everywhere with the ball.

Harvey needs a big boost.

Somehow we missed this even in our Sept 1st modded rosters. Guess I'm not much of a Mets fan

As with all the MLB guys he was rated based on PECOTA's projections early in the year. Clearly the projections were a little off in his case

I just upped him quite a bit, though he'll be reset by his PECOTA projections again next year.

[BaseballAddict32]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

Harvey needs a big boost.

Somehow we missed this even in our Sept 1st modded rosters. Guess I'm not much of a Mets fan

As with all the MLB guys he was rated based on PECOTA's projections early in the year. Clearly the projections were a little off in his case

I just upped him quite a bit, though he'll be reset by his PECOTA projections again next year.

If only there would be a next year

BTW, the Mets won the World Series. Good times in Flushing!

[BaseballAddict32]

dupe.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by BaseballAddict32

If only there would be a next year

Well, yeah when you put it that way

There'll be plenty of next years for him though. I hope...

[BaseballAddict32]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

Well, yeah when you put it that way

There'll be plenty of next years for him though. They just won't happen next year.

Yep but talk about the ultimate "of course, we're the Mets after all" moment when it came out he'd need TJ surgery.