Middle Relief and Unhappy

Dr. Brian · 09-22-2013, 09:58 PM

Why are all my Middle Relivers "unhappy" with their "Role on Team?"

I've checked their expectations on the Overview screen and they all say bullpen. And on the Pitching Ratings screen, they allso say "strictly bullpen" or "bullpen."

So what could possibly be their problem. They are also not under utlized or over utilized, so I'm not sure what the issue is.

Walkoffman · 09-23-2013, 05:10 PM

I've pondered this one too. I've tried moving middle relievers to set up and vice versa, more work, more save situations, less mop-up, etc, without much effect. Some won't be happy with their roles unless you make them the closer, or at least #1 middle or #1 setup.

As long as my relievers have an overall good morale I don't worry about it too much.

Ike348 · 09-23-2013, 06:04 PM

Is it only your relievers that are unhappy? If your team sucks, that might make them unhappy. Or if you just traded for them, or they were down in the minors for a while, that would make them unhappy in "Team Transactions".

I don't know any factors that would make only relievers unhappy, however.

McGuiser · 09-23-2013, 07:37 PM

In my games, the middle relievers usually make me unhappy.

I autoplay the first innings of nearly all of my games, and have learned NOT to just hand the ball to a reliever and turn my back. A reliever can get crushed immediately, so I always pitch individually to the first two or three batters to see an early whiff of disaster. A walk and passed ball? Time for a new pitcher.

The player unhappiness issue that most stymies me is having too many players who expect the middle of the lineup (not an entirely bad problem to have). Looks like slot #4 is the only slot that qualifies.

Dr. Brian · 09-23-2013, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ike348

Is it only your relievers that are unhappy? If your team sucks, that might make them unhappy. Or if you just traded for them, or they were down in the minors for a while, that would make them unhappy in "Team Transactions".

I don't know any factors that would make only relievers unhappy, however.

As I alluded to above, this is only unhappy for the "ROLE ON TEAM." Not the overall. These guys are fine since they are on a winning team.

So I just can't figure out why they would be unhappy.

McGuiser · 09-30-2013, 12:23 AM

I wonder if -- without any notice to the gamer -- some middle relief pitchers are unhappy with their role on the team if (a) they are not given a slot on the rotation screen (possible if you carry 12 pitchers), (b) get too few innings-pitched, (c) are not the closer (check their expectation), or (d) are not in a set-up role.

Just guessing. Okham's razor tells me that your experience is probably just an anomaly created by the randomization.

Dr. Brian · 10-01-2013, 10:15 AM

(a) they are not given a slot on the rotation screen (possible if you carry 12 pitchers),

As I mentioned, they are neither under worked or over worked. Each season, they fall within the statistical real life "norm." I typically carry 11 pitchers.

(b) get too few innings-pitched,

As I mentioned, they are neither under worked or over worked. Eachs eason, they fall within the statistical real life "norm."

(c) are not the closer (check their expectation),

As I mentioned, their expectations in BOTH overview screen and pitching screen and while I'm at it, the third location, Popularity/Morale screen. None of them say "closer."

(d) are not in a set-up role.

I thought this too, but even those in the "rotation/bullpen" menu under "set-up" are still unhappy.

Can you confirm that Anger/Happiness is a function of the "Lineup" and "rotation/bullpen" functions? I don't think they are, but if you can confirm eitehr way, that would be nice.

Thanks,

Doc

McGuiser · 10-01-2013, 10:26 AM

As my post said, I was wondering and guessing about reliever unhappiness in general (not just your specific situation).

I cannot confirm any connection between happiness and pitching assignment.

Dr. Brian · 10-02-2013, 09:24 AM

Ahhh. I see. I ran through those same ideas, but it has been to no avail. It is very frustrating. And of course, the manual is silent on this.

McGuiser · 10-02-2013, 10:45 AM

I have not observed closely, but I think that a player might be unhappy if he has not been offered an extension, or has been offered less than he had asked.

A player's salary demands often increase during a season, and some players who begin the season with an extension request at some time later in the season decide to become free agents. They are that unhappy.

That leads me to think that the list of unhappiness clauses (role, performance, etc.) is missing one item, contract status.

You might have left extension offers until the end of the season, as I used to and still sometimes do. Try offering an extension to your favorite unhappy MR as an experiment?

Disco Dog 13 · 10-02-2013, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McGuiser

I have not observed closely, but I think that a player might be unhappy if he has not been offered an extension, or has been offered less than he had asked.

A player's salary demands often increase during a season, and some players who begin the season with an extension request at some time later in the season decide to become free agents. They are that unhappy.

That leads me to think that the list of unhappiness clauses (role, performance, etc.) is missing one item, contract status.

You might have left extension offers until the end of the season, as I used to and still sometimes do. Try offering an extension to your favorite unhappy MR as an experiment?

great point that mate

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Dr. Brian · 10-07-2013, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McGuiser

Try offering an extension to your favorite unhappy MR as an experiment?

Interesting idea ... but they were all under long term contract, or not eligible for arbitration.

It would make sense otherwise to do something like this.

Walkoffman · 10-07-2013, 10:31 PM

Isn't level of satisfaction with contract status covered in "team transactions"?

09-23-2013, 05:10 PM	#2
Walkoffman Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Missouri, USA Posts: 60	Middle relief and unhappy I've pondered this one too. I've tried moving middle relievers to set up and vice versa, more work, more save situations, less mop-up, etc, without much effect. Some won't be happy with their roles unless you make them the closer, or at least #1 middle or #1 setup. As long as my relievers have an overall good morale I don't worry about it too much.

10-02-2013, 10:45 AM	#10
McGuiser Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 363	One other possibility I have not observed closely, but I think that a player might be unhappy if he has not been offered an extension, or has been offered less than he had asked. A player's salary demands often increase during a season, and some players who begin the season with an extension request at some time later in the season decide to become free agents. They are that unhappy. That leads me to think that the list of unhappiness clauses (role, performance, etc.) is missing one item, contract status. You might have left extension offers until the end of the season, as I used to and still sometimes do. Try offering an extension to your favorite unhappy MR as an experiment?

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09-22-2013, 09:58 PM	#1
Dr. Brian Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 76	Middle Relief and Unhappy Why are all my Middle Relivers "unhappy" with their "Role on Team?" I've checked their expectations on the Overview screen and they all say bullpen. And on the Pitching Ratings screen, they allso say "strictly bullpen" or "bullpen." So what could possibly be their problem. They are also not under utlized or over utilized, so I'm not sure what the issue is.

09-23-2013, 07:37 PM	#4
McGuiser Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 363	reliever unhappiness In my games, the middle relievers usually make me unhappy. I autoplay the first innings of nearly all of my games, and have learned NOT to just hand the ball to a reliever and turn my back. A reliever can get crushed immediately, so I always pitch individually to the first two or three batters to see an early whiff of disaster. A walk and passed ball? Time for a new pitcher. The player unhappiness issue that most stymies me is having too many players who expect the middle of the lineup (not an entirely bad problem to have). Looks like slot #4 is the only slot that qualifies.

09-30-2013, 12:23 AM	#6
McGuiser Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 363	I wonder if -- without any notice to the gamer -- some middle relief pitchers are unhappy with their role on the team if (a) they are not given a slot on the rotation screen (possible if you carry 12 pitchers), (b) get too few innings-pitched, (c) are not the closer (check their expectation), or (d) are not in a set-up role. Just guessing. Okham's razor tells me that your experience is probably just an anomaly created by the randomization.

10-01-2013, 10:15 AM	#7
Dr. Brian Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 76	(a) they are not given a slot on the rotation screen (possible if you carry 12 pitchers), As I mentioned, they are neither under worked or over worked. Each season, they fall within the statistical real life "norm." I typically carry 11 pitchers. (b) get too few innings-pitched, As I mentioned, they are neither under worked or over worked. Eachs eason, they fall within the statistical real life "norm." (c) are not the closer (check their expectation), As I mentioned, their expectations in BOTH overview screen and pitching screen and while I'm at it, the third location, Popularity/Morale screen. None of them say "closer." (d) are not in a set-up role. I thought this too, but even those in the "rotation/bullpen" menu under "set-up" are still unhappy. Can you confirm that Anger/Happiness is a function of the "Lineup" and "rotation/bullpen" functions? I don't think they are, but if you can confirm eitehr way, that would be nice. Thanks, Doc

10-01-2013, 10:26 AM	#8
McGuiser Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 363	As my post said, I was wondering and guessing about reliever unhappiness in general (not just your specific situation). I cannot confirm any connection between happiness and pitching assignment.

10-02-2013, 09:24 AM	#9
Dr. Brian Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 76	Ahhh. I see. I ran through those same ideas, but it has been to no avail. It is very frustrating. And of course, the manual is silent on this.

10-07-2013, 10:31 PM	#14
Walkoffman Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Missouri, USA Posts: 60	Isn't level of satisfaction with contract status covered in "team transactions"?