Anyone ever seen anything like this?

OBSL Commish · 08-31-2013, 04:00 PM

I started a fantasy MLB league in 2007 and signed a fairly young IF prospect named Motoyuki Nishimura out of Japan that season. I have Hanley Ramirez as my SS so I really didn't need the guy but I hate when other teams have better prospects than I do. Well, the guy didn't do anything in the minors for two years, only hitting .212 in 758 ABs. So I figured I might shop him around at the trade deadline. But then Hanley went down with a quad injury for five weeks in the middle of June, 2009. So I had to call Nishimura up and he proceeded to hit .062 in 112 ABs. I tried signing a FA on the open market, but I have no money whatsoever, and this Nishimura has a $5 million a year contract. Well, when Hanley came back, I shopped Nishimura around. San Diego is the only team who offered anything, and they are offering 37-year-old Garret Anderson. Well, I have draft pick trading on and historical rookies set to draft each season, so I always try to get a high draft pick out of each trade. This is what San Diego said when I asked them for a 1st rounder along with Anderson:

I was pretty surprised by this, because I also have current stats weighted at 50% of the AI's evaluations of players. So, I figured I would save some money and take Anderson out of the trade. I don't need his $3.5 million deal on my books since I'm in the red. This is what the AI said:

Anderson is hitting .232 as opposed to Nishimura who can't hit his IQ. Has this ever happened to anyone else? I can put Anderson back into the deal and the AI is good with it.

Lukas Berger · 08-31-2013, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by OBSL Commish

Anderson is hitting .232 as opposed to Nishimura who can't hit his IQ. Has this ever happened to anyone else? I can put Anderson back into the deal and the AI is good with it.

The ai wants to get rid of Anderson's contract and is willing to give up more to do so, especially if they're taking on another larger contract in the deal. Makes sense to me. This sort of thing happens irl often, where the potential return from a trade is dictated in large part by the money and contracts changing hands.

OBSL Commish · 08-31-2013, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by lukasberger

The ai wants to get rid of Anderson's contract and is willing to give up more to do so, especially if they're taking on another larger contract in the deal. Makes sense to me. This sort of thing happens irl often, where the potential return from a trade is dictated in large part by the money and contracts changing hands.

I guess so. But it just seems weird because the trading AI is set to Favor Veterans.

Lukas Berger · 08-31-2013, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by OBSL Commish

But it just seems weird because the trading AI is set to Favor Veterans.

I think that's more of a general preference rather than a hard and fast rule. Each team's circumstances are different, so I wouldn't expect a rebuilding team, f.e. to still heavily favor veterans even if that's the setting.

Cinnamon J. Scudworth · 08-31-2013, 04:46 PM

Yep. Players are sometimes negative assets in the AI's trade evaluation, which is completely realistic.

Baseballman2K5 · 09-02-2013, 01:26 AM

yes this is actually very realistic

The Wolf · 09-02-2013, 10:11 AM

I see the same thing now and then. It's a contract dump.

One game I shopped my fifth outfielder and got the outfielder with the best stats in the game offered in exchange to me by one team. It looked like awesomeness until I looked carefully at his contract. It was a dump.

Nunyer · 09-02-2013, 10:42 AM

I've never used draft pick trading, although I would be curious to know how the AI values high picks. Having no idea how good/bad San Diego might be... how easily would they sacrifice a high pick for a prospect that hasn't cut the mustard at any level?

As far as bad contracts, in my experience the AI does a god job at trying to move them. Swapping bad contracts is something that doesn't seem to happen a ton in the majors, but it can be a help in OOTP. I recently moved an awful contract for an over the hill starter who didn't have a spot on my 25 man. At best, he was a 4th or 5th starter on an awful staff, probably long relief for most teams... But I found a team that offered up a catcher with an equally awful contract. They had no pitching, I had nobody to play backup catcher... So we both turned awful contracts for guys that would have likely passed waivers and rotted in triple A into awful contracts that will at least make the team.

08-31-2013, 04:00 PM	#1
OBSL Commish All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 945	Anyone ever seen anything like this? I started a fantasy MLB league in 2007 and signed a fairly young IF prospect named Motoyuki Nishimura out of Japan that season. I have Hanley Ramirez as my SS so I really didn't need the guy but I hate when other teams have better prospects than I do. Well, the guy didn't do anything in the minors for two years, only hitting .212 in 758 ABs. So I figured I might shop him around at the trade deadline. But then Hanley went down with a quad injury for five weeks in the middle of June, 2009. So I had to call Nishimura up and he proceeded to hit .062 in 112 ABs. I tried signing a FA on the open market, but I have no money whatsoever, and this Nishimura has a $5 million a year contract. Well, when Hanley came back, I shopped Nishimura around. San Diego is the only team who offered anything, and they are offering 37-year-old Garret Anderson. Well, I have draft pick trading on and historical rookies set to draft each season, so I always try to get a high draft pick out of each trade. This is what San Diego said when I asked them for a 1st rounder along with Anderson: I was pretty surprised by this, because I also have current stats weighted at 50% of the AI's evaluations of players. So, I figured I would save some money and take Anderson out of the trade. I don't need his $3.5 million deal on my books since I'm in the red. This is what the AI said: Anderson is hitting .232 as opposed to Nishimura who can't hit his IQ. Has this ever happened to anyone else? I can put Anderson back into the deal and the AI is good with it.

08-31-2013, 04:46 PM	#5
Cinnamon J. Scudworth All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 1,118	Yep. Players are sometimes negative assets in the AI's trade evaluation, which is completely realistic. __________________ "Sometimes, this is like going to a grocery store. You’ve got a list until you get to the check-out stand. And then you start reading People magazine, and all this other [stuff] ends up in the basket." -Sandy Alderson on the MLB offseason

09-02-2013, 01:26 AM	#6
Baseballman2K5 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Phoenix Posts: 515	yes this is actually very realistic

09-02-2013, 10:42 AM	#8
Nunyer All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Baseball Ned Flanders stares into your soul... Posts: 594	I've never used draft pick trading, although I would be curious to know how the AI values high picks. Having no idea how good/bad San Diego might be... how easily would they sacrifice a high pick for a prospect that hasn't cut the mustard at any level? As far as bad contracts, in my experience the AI does a god job at trying to move them. Swapping bad contracts is something that doesn't seem to happen a ton in the majors, but it can be a help in OOTP. I recently moved an awful contract for an over the hill starter who didn't have a spot on my 25 man. At best, he was a 4th or 5th starter on an awful staff, probably long relief for most teams... But I found a team that offered up a catcher with an equally awful contract. They had no pitching, I had nobody to play backup catcher... So we both turned awful contracts for guys that would have likely passed waivers and rotted in triple A into awful contracts that will at least make the team.