20 Teams 2 Divsions 5 Teams Per - What Type Of Schedule Do You Prefer?

The Game · 08-25-2013, 07:14 PM

Trying to decide which schedule to use. Sandman has some really cool schedules. I am undecided between a balanced schedule 18 games per team. I love the start times. 7 pm M - F, 4 Pm Sat, 1 pm on Sun.

Or

92 divisional games (46H/46A) 70 out of division (35H/35A). all start times 7 pm. Tedious to schedule day games.

Or

72 games in the division (18H/18A)
- 18 games against other 4 teams of division (9H/9A)

50 games outside division within league (25H/25A)
- 10 games against other 5 teams within league (5H/5A)

40 interleague games (20H/20A)
- 4 games against 10 teams of league (2H/2A)

7 pm start time.

I am torn between 1 & 3.

Questdog · 08-25-2013, 07:18 PM

Balanced schedules and divisions should be mutually exclusive of one another.....a balanced schedule makes the divisions merely arbitrary groupings of teams.....

David Watts · 08-25-2013, 07:45 PM

I despise real life interleague play with every bone in my body. I absolutely love interleague play when playing OOTP. Especially if you face every team in the other league. Allows me to get to know the other league as something other than a leader board. Voted #3

Questdog · 08-25-2013, 07:53 PM

Sometimes, I like to own a team in each league (and ban trading with myself).......but I could never resort to allowing interleague play.......

The Game · 08-25-2013, 08:20 PM

I prefer interleague play IRL and in OOTP. For this league I have had it since 2003 because I did not want to play the same 3 teams 46 times. 2012 is supposed to be the 1st year without it until 2026 when I switch to 3 divisions.

mpejkrm · 08-25-2013, 08:34 PM

I hate interleague play. IRL and in OOTP. Always turn it off in my fictional leagues.

spleen1015 · 08-25-2013, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mpejkrm

I hate interleague play. IRL and in OOTP. Always turn it off in my fictional leagues.

Same for me.

The Game · 08-25-2013, 10:32 PM

Divisional wins. thanx.

Left-handed Badger · 08-25-2013, 11:48 PM

In real life:

If it was up to me now that we have balanced leagues, I'd go with:

72 games (18 each) against divisional opponents AND

60 games (home and home 3 games serieses) against the other intraleague teams

30 games (home and home 3 game serieses) against the 5 teams in one division in the other league, rotating through on an every 3 year basis.

This would eliminate interleague rivals, but I dont care other than the New York and Chicago versions who cares? (and if you do it right you can have one of those 2 out of every 3 years)

While we are at it for the All-Star game matters abomination, I would drop Bud Selig off at the South Pole.........naked. MWA-hA-ha (and I have a feeling by this time next year I will say the same thing about instant replay)

Nunyer · 08-25-2013, 11:51 PM

I've never been very passionate either way about interleague play for MLB... And while IRL, I prefer a schedule that leans towards divisional play... In OOTP, it tends to get a little too familiar for me seeing the same teams over and over and over in a division heavy schedule.

I have a league that I'm running with the same setup, 20 teams: 2 subleagues, 2 divisions per with 5 teams each... I've been running the last choice for many seasons:

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72 games in the division (18H/18A)
- 18 games against other 4 teams of division (9H/9A)

50 games outside division within league (25H/25A)
- 10 games against other 5 teams within league (5H/5A)

40 interleague games (20H/20A)
- 4 games against 10 teams of league (2H/2A)

I've absolutely loved it. Although there have been variations... some years the interleague series are 2H/2A and some years they are 4 game straight sets. I get to see all the teams in the league at least once, but still have to be respectable against the division to go anywhere. Once I built up a decent 5 or 6 year stretch of being in contention, sometimes you'd get some great mid-to-late season four game sets against potential WS opponents... Nice change of pace from always seeing the cross town rivals.

oops, just saw you already made up your mind... oh well, maybe food for thought for another season.

Left-handed Badger · 08-26-2013, 12:02 AM

Note: I did orget to mention the reason I thought the schedule I said would be good would be because each team in the division would play the exact same teams, the exact same amount times, all equally home and away. (and would give equal strength of schedule among the division, as far as the wild card having unequal strength, well tough noogies.

The wild card is supposed to be a friggin crapshoot, though I dont particularly like the 2 wild card format. I shouldnt be our problem that Selig really, really wanted Boston in the playoffs over Tampa Bay a couple years ago)

The Game · 08-26-2013, 11:36 AM

I am gonna try the divisional setup for this season. For the 2013 & most of 2014 seasons I wont be part of the EBL ML. I am a HS coach, so I will probably leave the divisional format alone. 2015 is an expansion year and the AL adds the DH so I want to keep the leagues separate for that. I might go back to interleague in 2020 when I will be at 28 teams and both leagues have the DH.

SandMan · 08-26-2013, 11:56 AM

Another alternative would be to have 2 leagues each with 10 teams in a single division. This would allow a balanced schedule of 9h/9a against each team in your league. Just throwing that out there to consider. Personally I use 2 divisions in each league but have considered the schedule that allows only 1 division in each subleague.

The Game · 08-26-2013, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SandMan

Another alternative would be to have 2 leagues each with 10 teams in a single division. This would allow a balanced schedule of 9h/9a against each team in your league. Just throwing that out there to consider. Personally I use 2 divisions in each league but have considered the schedule that allows only 1 division in each subleague.

I did not want to do that because i did not want to use a wildcard. i did consider it though.

Westheim · 08-26-2013, 12:50 PM

I'm partial to interleague play in MLB, but I need it in OOTP. Otherwise, you don't have the slightest idea who's playing on the other side of the fence.

The Game · 08-26-2013, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Westheim

I'm partial to interleague play in MLB, but I need it in OOTP. Otherwise, you don't have the slightest idea who's playing on the other side of the fence.

True , mostly. In this league I know all my teams.

actionjackson · 08-26-2013, 02:32 PM

I hate interleague with every fibre of my being, both IRL and in OOTP. It ruins the chance to have a balanced schedule, and that's what I like, so I have 2 subleagues with no divisions for my historical leagues, even when it gets to 14 AL teams and 16 NL teams. As for 15 and 15, it's not gonna happen in my world because that would mean interleague. When it's four teams in one subleague and four in the other (starting in 1871), only the top team in each subleague qualifies for the postseason. When it gets to 8 teams and 8 teams (1882), I extend it to the top two teams in each subleague, and when it gets to 14 and 14 (1993), I extend it to the top four teams in each subleague. No wildcard teams and no crappy division winners (think 83-79, which has happened IRL...blech!).

Le Grande Orange · 08-26-2013, 03:42 PM

As to the set up in the OP, as has been noted, if you use a balanced schedule with a divisional structure the divisions basically become arbitrary. One issue with a divisionally-weighted schedule and 5-team divisions is that, because 5 is an odd number, not all the clubs can be playing divisional games at the same time. At least one club will have to be playing games against teams outside its division. That might impact the division races if the leader is that one club.

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Originally Posted by actionjackson

... I extend it to the top four teams in each subleague. No wildcard teams ...

Uh, strictly speaking, any club outside of the top finisher is a wild card. By your own admission you are in fact using three wild cards in your league (the second through fourth place finishers).

actionjackson · 08-26-2013, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Uh, strictly speaking, any club outside of the top finisher is a wild card. By your own admission you are in fact using three wild cards in your league (the second through fourth place finishers).

Technically correct of course LGO (I would expect nothing less from you). However, with this set-up, I'm virtually ensuring that the four best teams from each sub-league go to the playoffs every year. That's something that the RL system cannot claim because every year (it seems) some mediocre team makes the playoffs and occasionally goes all the way. Not happening here. You've got to earn it.

Westheim · 08-27-2013, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by actionjackson

no crappy division winners (think 83-79, which has happened IRL...blech!).

Actually, those 1973 Mets were 82-79.

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08-25-2013, 07:14 PM	#1
The Game Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Inside The Game Posts: 30,937	20 Teams 2 Divsions 5 Teams Per - What Type Of Schedule Do You Prefer? Trying to decide which schedule to use. Sandman has some really cool schedules. I am undecided between a balanced schedule 18 games per team. I love the start times. 7 pm M - F, 4 Pm Sat, 1 pm on Sun. Or 92 divisional games (46H/46A) 70 out of division (35H/35A). all start times 7 pm. Tedious to schedule day games. Or 72 games in the division (18H/18A) - 18 games against other 4 teams of division (9H/9A) 50 games outside division within league (25H/25A) - 10 games against other 5 teams within league (5H/5A) 40 interleague games (20H/20A) - 4 games against 10 teams of league (2H/2A) 7 pm start time. I am torn between 1 & 3. __________________ Go today don't wait for tomorrow It isn't promised, all the time you get borrowed Don't live your life for other people Don't bottle your emotions till they crack and fill a couple just sorrows Take your mind and refocus go get a paper write your goals out Throw your middle fingers to all your haters "Stay Strong"

08-25-2013, 08:20 PM	#5
The Game Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Inside The Game Posts: 30,937	I prefer interleague play IRL and in OOTP. For this league I have had it since 2003 because I did not want to play the same 3 teams 46 times. 2012 is supposed to be the 1st year without it until 2026 when I switch to 3 divisions. __________________ Go today don't wait for tomorrow It isn't promised, all the time you get borrowed Don't live your life for other people Don't bottle your emotions till they crack and fill a couple just sorrows Take your mind and refocus go get a paper write your goals out Throw your middle fingers to all your haters "Stay Strong"

08-25-2013, 10:32 PM	#8
The Game Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Inside The Game Posts: 30,937	Divisional wins. thanx. __________________ Go today don't wait for tomorrow It isn't promised, all the time you get borrowed Don't live your life for other people Don't bottle your emotions till they crack and fill a couple just sorrows Take your mind and refocus go get a paper write your goals out Throw your middle fingers to all your haters "Stay Strong"

08-25-2013, 11:48 PM	#9
Left-handed Badger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: at the altar of the baseball god praying for middle infield that can catch the ball Posts: 2,036	In real life: If it was up to me now that we have balanced leagues, I'd go with: 72 games (18 each) against divisional opponents AND 60 games (home and home 3 games serieses) against the other intraleague teams 30 games (home and home 3 game serieses) against the 5 teams in one division in the other league, rotating through on an every 3 year basis. This would eliminate interleague rivals, but I dont care other than the New York and Chicago versions who cares? (and if you do it right you can have one of those 2 out of every 3 years) While we are at it for the All-Star game matters abomination, I would drop Bud Selig off at the South Pole.........naked. MWA-hA-ha (and I have a feeling by this time next year I will say the same thing about instant replay) __________________ -Left-handed groundball specialist -Strikeouts are for wimps

08-25-2013, 07:18 PM	#2
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142	Balanced schedules and divisions should be mutually exclusive of one another.....a balanced schedule makes the divisions merely arbitrary groupings of teams.....

08-25-2013, 07:45 PM	#3
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,983 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	I despise real life interleague play with every bone in my body. I absolutely love interleague play when playing OOTP. Especially if you face every team in the other league. Allows me to get to know the other league as something other than a leader board. Voted #3 Last edited by David Watts; 08-25-2013 at 07:51 PM.

08-25-2013, 07:53 PM	#4
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142	Sometimes, I like to own a team in each league (and ban trading with myself).......but I could never resort to allowing interleague play.......

08-25-2013, 08:34 PM	#6
mpejkrm All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 951	I hate interleague play. IRL and in OOTP. Always turn it off in my fictional leagues.

08-26-2013, 12:02 AM	#11
Left-handed Badger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: at the altar of the baseball god praying for middle infield that can catch the ball Posts: 2,036	Note: I did orget to mention the reason I thought the schedule I said would be good would be because each team in the division would play the exact same teams, the exact same amount times, all equally home and away. (and would give equal strength of schedule among the division, as far as the wild card having unequal strength, well tough noogies. The wild card is supposed to be a friggin crapshoot, though I dont particularly like the 2 wild card format. I shouldnt be our problem that Selig really, really wanted Boston in the playoffs over Tampa Bay a couple years ago) __________________ -Left-handed groundball specialist -Strikeouts are for wimps

08-26-2013, 11:36 AM	#12
The Game Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Inside The Game Posts: 30,937	I am gonna try the divisional setup for this season. For the 2013 & most of 2014 seasons I wont be part of the EBL ML. I am a HS coach, so I will probably leave the divisional format alone. 2015 is an expansion year and the AL adds the DH so I want to keep the leagues separate for that. I might go back to interleague in 2020 when I will be at 28 teams and both leagues have the DH. __________________ Go today don't wait for tomorrow It isn't promised, all the time you get borrowed Don't live your life for other people Don't bottle your emotions till they crack and fill a couple just sorrows Take your mind and refocus go get a paper write your goals out Throw your middle fingers to all your haters "Stay Strong"

08-26-2013, 11:56 AM	#13
SandMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,946	Another alternative would be to have 2 leagues each with 10 teams in a single division. This would allow a balanced schedule of 9h/9a against each team in your league. Just throwing that out there to consider. Personally I use 2 divisions in each league but have considered the schedule that allows only 1 division in each subleague.

08-26-2013, 12:50 PM	#15
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08-26-2013, 02:32 PM	#17
actionjackson Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 6,181	I hate interleague with every fibre of my being, both IRL and in OOTP. It ruins the chance to have a balanced schedule, and that's what I like, so I have 2 subleagues with no divisions for my historical leagues, even when it gets to 14 AL teams and 16 NL teams. As for 15 and 15, it's not gonna happen in my world because that would mean interleague. When it's four teams in one subleague and four in the other (starting in 1871), only the top team in each subleague qualifies for the postseason. When it gets to 8 teams and 8 teams (1882), I extend it to the top two teams in each subleague, and when it gets to 14 and 14 (1993), I extend it to the top four teams in each subleague. No wildcard teams and no crappy division winners (think 83-79, which has happened IRL...blech!).