I hate having a manager

PSUColonel · 08-21-2013, 01:19 PM

I want to be the GM/Manager, and I don't want him around. The problem is, if I fire him, there will be a void, and my players will not develop/ age normally. This is a terrible designed area of the game. I wish Markus would not be so quirky with some of his design decision, and keep OOTP running like a smooth polished simulation in some areas. Any thoughts?

Nunyer · 08-21-2013, 01:26 PM

You can turn off the coaching system completely and players still develop. The option is under "global" in the league setup menu... I think.. don't have OOTP in front of me at the moment.

PSUColonel · 08-21-2013, 01:32 PM

I don't want to turn off the coaching system completely.

hefalumps · 08-21-2013, 01:32 PM

Just out of curiosity, why does the manager bother you? You can disable his control over most everything and then just ask him for stuff as needed - like setting up all your lineups/depth charts so you have something to start with and then tweaking to your liking. While I agree it ends up seeming like a waste of payroll (and managers can be expensive), I like to think that the manager is still doing something - developing players, etc. I just have total control over him - kind of like Billy Beane wished it was with Art Howe in Moneyball.

So I'm not seeing the problem. Only thing I don't like about the blurred line between human GM/manager in OOTP is when you, the human, as GM, win manager of the year award instead of your actual manager. It'd be nice if OOTP gave a separate award like "executive of the year" for GMs.

Mr. Baseball · 08-21-2013, 01:36 PM

It's a hassle to manually take the in-game manager out of every situation before every game you play. Furthermore, I think the manger shows up in the Champions screen and league history when you do all the work.

Fyrestorm3 · 08-21-2013, 01:38 PM

I've gotten in the habit of editing a manager to be my GM's doppelganger. It's not perfect, but it works for me.

Cinnamon J. Scudworth · 08-21-2013, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I want to be the GM/Manager, and I don't want him around. The problem is, if I fire him, there will be a void, and my players will not develop/ age normally. This is a terrible designed area of the game. I wish Markus would not be so quirky with some of his design decision, and keep OOTP running like a smooth polished simulation in some areas. Any thoughts?

No offense, but I think your style of play is quirkier than OOTP's design decisions.

David Watts · 08-21-2013, 01:44 PM

I still wonder why the "manage only" mode is only available at the minor league level? I have absolutely no interest in being a GM.

hefalumps · 08-21-2013, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Baseball

It's a hassle to manually take the in-game manager out of every situation before every game you play. Furthermore, I think the manger shows up in the Champions screen and league history when you do all the work.

I play out all my games, and my manager never interferes with anything, so I'm having trouble seeing where the hassle lies. I'd be curious to hear an example of what you have to do.

Your example of the manager showing up in the Champions screen and league history is another example of where OOTP has trouble with the human GM/manager line blurring. Only the human GM can win manager of the year, but the actual manager is the one listed on the Championships screen. How about just giving the GM credit on the Championship screen in addition to the manager, and how about having two separate awards announced on Manager of the Year day - Manager of the Year and Exec of the Year.

Questdog · 08-21-2013, 05:46 PM

Just change the manager's name to your name and then he is you.....

RchW · 08-21-2013, 06:08 PM

Then you can be beside yourself.

mpejkrm · 08-21-2013, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

I still wonder why the "manage only" mode is only available at the minor league level? I have absolutely no interest in being a GM.

It's somewhat there. Choose to be a big league Gm and in manager options, set all transactions made my the field manager.

David Watts · 08-21-2013, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mpejkrm

It's somewhat there. Choose to be a big league Gm and in manager options, set all transactions made my the field manager.

Yeah, I do that very thing. But there is nothing that separates my performance as a manager from the AI's performance as my GM. I know most managers get the boot along with the GM, but not always.

Left-handed Badger · 08-22-2013, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

I still wonder why the "manage only" mode is only available at the minor league level? I have absolutely no interest in being a GM.

I'd rather manage too. But, I've seen some dumb moves by GMs. So, I just know he'd sign some worthless FA 3B in the offseason, because my ROY 3B, happened to be a prototypical leadoff (leading the league in steals, triples) instead of a HR hitter type that he thinks HAS to play in every position. (I bring this up every now and then, but it drove me up the wall seeing that GM do that in my game all those years ago).

Or more commonly, paying top dollar for a mediocre hitting, average defensively at best SS, because I was too successful defensively with my Gold Glove SS who hit .220. (that guy he signed might get to PH and come in at SS a lot in late games when I am trailing, but it will be a waste of money for the role he ends up with). Point is, how I look at building a team and how that AI GM would is often so vastly different. Well, what seem conventionally valuable to him, might be worthless to me. (and a SS who is average or worse defensively better absolutely rake on offense, to play there long term for me, for example). So, I like being a GM to that extent.

Course, monetary dealings, and fan bases do bore the heck out of me for example, though I'd be afraid not to have. I like playing with a mid-market type team. It gives me the most ability to play the game my way for one. So, I did need finances, to get as much as i can to have that competitive team, but not too much that I end up as the Yankees

The Game · 08-22-2013, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I want to be the GM/Manager, and I don't want him around. The problem is, if I fire him, there will be a void, and my players will not develop/ age normally. This is a terrible designed area of the game. I wish Markus would not be so quirky with some of his design decision, and keep OOTP running like a smooth polished simulation in some areas. Any thoughts?

Just edit the MGR into yourself. That's what I do.

RchW · 08-22-2013, 09:29 AM

This thread started a loop of "I Am The Walrus" in my head. The first line goes, "I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together."

VanillaGorilla · 08-22-2013, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by RchW

This thread started a loop of "I Am The Walrus" in my head. The first line goes, "I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together."

Dear Rich,

The Walrus sucks.

Sincerely,

The Apeman

David Watts · 08-22-2013, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by VanillaGorilla

Dear Rich,

The Walrus sucks.

Sincerely,

The Apeman

Holy crap, is that a Kinks reference or did you mean the Eggman?

rpriske · 08-22-2013, 10:16 AM

The thing is, you ARE the manager and the listed manager is really just a coach.

Why do I say that? Recently my team won the AL Manager of the Year award and they gave it to ME, not to the actual team manager.

VanillaGorilla · 08-22-2013, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

Holy crap, is that a Kinks reference or did you mean the Eggman?

You Really Got Me. Sorry to be your Kink's reference Destroyer, but it was just a play on words and nick names. I really don't know Kink's music. I could sit here All of the Day and All of the Night and probably not come up with a single one.

I gave up Alcohol and no longer lead a Complicated Life. Forgive me if you find my humor to be of the Low Budget variety...Lol(a).

Anyway, did you know that your nick name is a song by The Jam?

Cheers.

08-21-2013, 01:19 PM	#1
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,107	I hate having a manager I want to be the GM/Manager, and I don't want him around. The problem is, if I fire him, there will be a void, and my players will not develop/ age normally. This is a terrible designed area of the game. I wish Markus would not be so quirky with some of his design decision, and keep OOTP running like a smooth polished simulation in some areas. Any thoughts?

08-21-2013, 01:36 PM	#5
Mr. Baseball All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Mequon, Wisconsin Posts: 1,020	It's a hassle to manually take the in-game manager out of every situation before every game you play. Furthermore, I think the manger shows up in the Champions screen and league history when you do all the work. __________________ Duluth Danger (HBL) Dynasty Report -- Online League Franchise Duluth - 1985/1989 North League Champions!

08-21-2013, 06:08 PM	#11
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	Then you can be beside yourself. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

08-22-2013, 09:29 AM	#16
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	This thread started a loop of "I Am The Walrus" in my head. The first line goes, "I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together." __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

08-21-2013, 01:26 PM	#2
Nunyer All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Baseball Ned Flanders stares into your soul... Posts: 594	You can turn off the coaching system completely and players still develop. The option is under "global" in the league setup menu... I think.. don't have OOTP in front of me at the moment.

08-21-2013, 01:32 PM	#3
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,107	I don't want to turn off the coaching system completely.

08-21-2013, 01:32 PM	#4
hefalumps All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,380	Just out of curiosity, why does the manager bother you? You can disable his control over most everything and then just ask him for stuff as needed - like setting up all your lineups/depth charts so you have something to start with and then tweaking to your liking. While I agree it ends up seeming like a waste of payroll (and managers can be expensive), I like to think that the manager is still doing something - developing players, etc. I just have total control over him - kind of like Billy Beane wished it was with Art Howe in Moneyball. So I'm not seeing the problem. Only thing I don't like about the blurred line between human GM/manager in OOTP is when you, the human, as GM, win manager of the year award instead of your actual manager. It'd be nice if OOTP gave a separate award like "executive of the year" for GMs.

08-21-2013, 01:38 PM	#6
Fyrestorm3 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Tampa Bay, Massachusetts Posts: 2,928	I've gotten in the habit of editing a manager to be my GM's doppelganger. It's not perfect, but it works for me.

08-21-2013, 01:44 PM	#8
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,983 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	I still wonder why the "manage only" mode is only available at the minor league level? I have absolutely no interest in being a GM.

08-21-2013, 05:46 PM	#10
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142	Just change the manager's name to your name and then he is you.....

08-22-2013, 10:16 AM	#19
rpriske Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Spencerville, ON, Canada Posts: 26,721	The thing is, you ARE the manager and the listed manager is really just a coach. Why do I say that? Recently my team won the AL Manager of the Year award and they gave it to ME, not to the actual team manager.