Title Bout question

George Best · 05-09-2013, 05:37 PM

Hello guys,

finally pic up title bout and I'm really thrilled from all the possibilities title bout is offering. But some things leave me puzzled. For example do you guys put the computer in charge of selecting strategies for fighters or not? At least the manual mentioned that running a sim without is the purest form of it. Maybe some of you will help me.

Thanks in advance.

P.S. Glad to join the community

BigMac · 05-09-2013, 06:22 PM

yes, like to know 2

dragon29 · 05-09-2013, 09:26 PM

Hi guys,

Nice to have you here. Check out this link (which also has a link within the thread to another, more detailed discussion). Personally, I've had much more enjoyment since I chose to fight with no strategies or all strategy as 'normal'.

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...trategies.html

PWillisTheMan · 05-09-2013, 11:27 PM

The computer strategies are awful and don't even resemble a realistic portrayal of fights. If you want pure boxers like Mayweather and Whitaker going all out for the KO 7 or 8 rounds in a row than it's for you.

I turned that off and either run the fights in Normal mode for the whole bout or for the bigger ones I'll manually put in the strategies based on what the fighters have available in the ratings screen.

I always enjoyed the game, but it was doubled after I turned off the computer strategies and was able to have more realistic fights.

Cap · 05-10-2013, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by George Best

Hello guys,

finally pic up title bout and I'm really thrilled from all the possibilities title bout is offering. But some things leave me puzzled. For example do you guys put the computer in charge of selecting strategies for fighters or not? At least the manual mentioned that running a sim without is the purest form of it. Maybe some of you will help me.

Thanks in advance.

P.S. Glad to join the community

Welcome, George. As far as AI strategies, for the life of me, I can't recall whether I have them on or not. Title Bout is addictive fun and the programmers insist there will be even more thrills ahead when version 2.6 comes out, followed some years later by version 3.0!

Cap

hamed2 · 05-10-2013, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by George Best

Hello guys,

finally pic up title bout and I'm really thrilled from all the possibilities title bout is offering. But some things leave me puzzled. For example do you guys put the computer in charge of selecting strategies for fighters or not? At least the manual mentioned that running a sim without is the purest form of it. Maybe some of you will help me.

Thanks in advance.

P.S. Glad to join the community

Glad you're here & yes I put the computer in charge of the strategies & from my experience (unlike some here) I have not found any problems with doing so in my results. Boxing is like life or sports in general, some times you get strange & unexpected outcomes but I've not noticed boxers acting strangely by letting the computer select.

PWillisTheMan · 05-10-2013, 10:23 AM

There are still plenty of upsets with it turned off, fighters just fight more like their style. Cory Spinks trying to KO Roberto Duran for 5 rounds just isn't for me.

George Best · 05-10-2013, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dragon29

Nice to have you here.

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Originally Posted by Cap

Welcome, George.

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Originally Posted by hamed2

Glad you're here.

Thank you guys for the warm welcome. It is always great to see such friendly and kindly community members.

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Originally Posted by dragon29

Check out this link (which also has a link within the thread to another, more detailed discussion). Personally, I've had much more enjoyment since I chose to fight with no strategies or all strategy as 'normal'.

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...trategies.html

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Originally Posted by PWillisTheMan

The computer strategies are awful and don't even resemble a realistic portrayal of fights. If you want pure boxers like Mayweather and Whitaker going all out for the KO 7 or 8 rounds in a row than it's for you.

I turned that off and either run the fights in Normal mode for the whole bout or for the bigger ones I'll manually put in the strategies based on what the fighters have available in the ratings screen.

Interesting read. Didn't know that strategies are broken. Well, of course I saw some strange strategy approaches during some fights (one of the main reason I asked) eg. see someone going all for ko after 6 in a 15 rounder but I have no idea of how much it effects the possible outcome of the fights.

To tie on this how does coaches effects fights?

hamed2 · 05-10-2013, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by PWillisTheMan

There are still plenty of upsets with it turned off, fighters just fight more like their style. Cory Spinks trying to KO Roberto Duran for 5 rounds just isn't for me.

So if you turn it off, they still use the strategies? I assumed if the computer didn't pick them, you had to.

And all the times I fought Cory, I don't recall him trying to KO anyone. His rating is so realistic, he's also boring in the game.

Cap · 05-10-2013, 03:10 PM

I just checked. I'm still using 2.0 and I've always had the strategies checked. Just fought two fights, same two guys, one bout with strategies checked, the other unchecked. In the first bout, fighter A KO'd fighter B in the 1st round. In the second go round, fighter A KO'd fighter B in the 7th round. In both cases, both fighters showed strategies of "Normal".

Maybe this is more pronounced in version 2.5?

Cap

PWillisTheMan · 05-10-2013, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by hamed2

So if you turn it off, they still use the strategies? I assumed if the computer didn't pick them, you had to.

And all the times I fought Cory, I don't recall him trying to KO anyone. His rating is so realistic, he's also boring in the game.

If you turn it off it is set to normal and then you pick them if you want to. I didn't use strategies back with the board game, so I'm cool with that. Sometimes with someone like Foreman or Tyson I'll send them out for an early KO which would never be selected by the AI.

PWillisTheMan · 05-10-2013, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cap

I just checked. I'm still using 2.0 and I've always had the strategies checked. Just fought two fights, same two guys, one bout with strategies checked, the other unchecked. In the first bout, fighter A KO'd fighter B in the 1st round. In the second go round, fighter A KO'd fighter B in the 7th round. In both cases, both fighters showed strategies of "Normal".

Maybe this is more pronounced in version 2.5?

Cap

Maybe what is more pronounced? Fighters going all out for the KO at the end of fights? I don't think you got along that far. In a 15 rounder it's pretty standard for both guys from the 8th or 9th round on in both versions.

hamed2 · 05-10-2013, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by PWillisTheMan

If you turn it off it is set to normal and then you pick them if you want to. I didn't use strategies back with the board game, so I'm cool with that. Sometimes with someone like Foreman or Tyson I'll send them out for an early KO which would never be selected by the AI.

I let the computer decide because if I pick them, I'm having input on the result - I'm just the matchmaker & I let the cards, dice or computer in this case decide the outcome.

PWillisTheMan · 05-10-2013, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by hamed2

I let the computer decide because if I pick them, I'm having input on the result - I'm just the matchmaker & I let the cards, dice or computer in this case decide the outcome.

Too each their own, guys use more strategies than they are allotted in their actual rankings. So the computer is overriding the ratings anyway.

Like I said, I didn't use the strategies in the board game anyway. If you just set up your board game and turned the cards, then you would want them off.

While you'll have a lot of thrilling finishes with them on, I just couldn't deal with the relentless KO hunting no matter what style of fighter. Howard Davis could have a 6 round lead on Sean O'Grady and he'd still be trying to knock him out.

Thunder · 05-10-2013, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by hamed2

I let the computer decide because if I pick them, I'm having input on the result - I'm just the matchmaker & I let the cards, dice or computer in this case decide the outcome.

I'm with Willis on this one. Letting the PC choose strategies is a mess.

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...-off-game.html

George Best · 05-10-2013, 03:59 PM

Actually I made a other post with multiple quotes and maybe somethings going wrong but the post never show up. But I would love to say thank you for the nice and warm welcome.

The strategy thread was really a interessing read. Well, I already spot some more or less strange decisions with 'strategy on' eg. going all for ko in 6 in a scheduled 15 rounder (one of the main reasons I open this thread) but I'm really surprised that the strategy option is that broken.

Hanson Bros · 05-10-2013, 06:13 PM

Is their a way to turn them off to where you don't have to go in the fight options and unclick them every time?

Thunder · 05-10-2013, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Hanson Bros

Is their a way to turn them off to where you don't have to go in the fight options and unclick them every time?

No, which sucks. Most of the other options default to your last choice, but that always goes back to being checked. Also, the conditioning check always defaults to being used. It would be great if those two things worked like everything else and defaulted to your last bout.

hamed2 · 05-11-2013, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by PWillisTheMan

Too each their own, guys use more strategies than they are allotted in their actual rankings. So the computer is overriding the ratings anyway.

Like I said, I didn't use the strategies in the board game anyway. If you just set up your board game and turned the cards, then you would want them off.

While you'll have a lot of thrilling finishes with them on, I just couldn't deal with the relentless KO hunting no matter what style of fighter. Howard Davis could have a 6 round lead on Sean O'Grady and he'd still be trying to knock him out.

I never saw these issues, boxers seem to want to box more & sluggers slug. In a # of cases, even if they go for the KO, it doesn't mean they'll get it. In some cases it actually opens them up to getting dropped. Maybe I'd notice it more if I had a large # of unrealistic results. Not lately but @ times I have a # of fights that end due to cuts which I find more frustrating.

hamed2 · 05-11-2013, 03:48 PM

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I'm with Willis on this one. Letting the PC choose strategies is a mess.

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...-off-game.html

Happy to say, not for me - if I turned them off, I'm not sure my results would be more realistic.

05-09-2013, 05:37 PM	#1
George Best Bat Boy Join Date: May 2013 Location: atm near Yucatán Posts: 18	Title Bout question Hello guys, finally pic up title bout and I'm really thrilled from all the possibilities title bout is offering. But some things leave me puzzled. For example do you guys put the computer in charge of selecting strategies for fighters or not? At least the manual mentioned that running a sim without is the purest form of it. Maybe some of you will help me. Thanks in advance. P.S. Glad to join the community

05-09-2013, 11:27 PM	#4
PWillisTheMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 3,418	The computer strategies are awful and don't even resemble a realistic portrayal of fights. If you want pure boxers like Mayweather and Whitaker going all out for the KO 7 or 8 rounds in a row than it's for you. I turned that off and either run the fights in Normal mode for the whole bout or for the bigger ones I'll manually put in the strategies based on what the fighters have available in the ratings screen. I always enjoyed the game, but it was doubled after I turned off the computer strategies and was able to have more realistic fights. __________________ http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...urnaments.html- Nerd Tournaments

05-10-2013, 10:23 AM	#7
PWillisTheMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 3,418	There are still plenty of upsets with it turned off, fighters just fight more like their style. Cory Spinks trying to KO Roberto Duran for 5 rounds just isn't for me. __________________ http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...urnaments.html- Nerd Tournaments

05-10-2013, 03:10 PM	#10
Cap Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Large Province in God's Country Posts: 8,065	I just checked. I'm still using 2.0 and I've always had the strategies checked. Just fought two fights, same two guys, one bout with strategies checked, the other unchecked. In the first bout, fighter A KO'd fighter B in the 1st round. In the second go round, fighter A KO'd fighter B in the 7th round. In both cases, both fighters showed strategies of "Normal". Maybe this is more pronounced in version 2.5? Cap __________________ "...There were Giants in Those Days.."

05-10-2013, 06:13 PM	#17
Hanson Bros Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,006	Is their a way to turn them off to where you don't have to go in the fight options and unclick them every time? __________________ LBA UTBA3

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BigMac Banned Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 20 Infractions: 0/1 (4)	yes, like to know 2

05-09-2013, 09:26 PM	#3
dragon29 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 261	Hi guys, Nice to have you here. Check out this link (which also has a link within the thread to another, more detailed discussion). Personally, I've had much more enjoyment since I chose to fight with no strategies or all strategy as 'normal'. http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...trategies.html

05-10-2013, 03:59 PM	#16
George Best Bat Boy Join Date: May 2013 Location: atm near Yucatán Posts: 18	Actually I made a other post with multiple quotes and maybe somethings going wrong but the post never show up. But I would love to say thank you for the nice and warm welcome. The strategy thread was really a interessing read. Well, I already spot some more or less strange decisions with 'strategy on' eg. going all for ko in 6 in a scheduled 15 rounder (one of the main reasons I open this thread) but I'm really surprised that the strategy option is that broken.