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Join Date: Aug 2007
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WAR calculation
So I've noticed that since OOTP has added WAR as a stat that it has seemed a bit off. What specifically stood out to me is that it seemed to underrate SS and C and overrate 2B and CF.
I just finished a season and tried to calculate WAR. This is what I did: Offensive Runs=((wOBA-lgwOBA)/1.125)*PA lgwOBA = league wOBA, had to figure that out myself. But used the given wOBA rather than calculating that and PA=plate appearences. Defensive Runs = ZR Given by the game Positional Runs = Calculating WAR for Position Players | FanGraphs Sabermetrics Library This is what's going to be off on my calculation. You cannot bring up a sortable sheet of IP per position, so instead I had to charge all of their defensive IP to the position they were currently listed as. So this wasn't completely accurate. Replacement Runs = Calculating WAR for Position Players | FanGraphs Sabermetrics Library So you have Offensive Runs + Defensive Runs + Positional Runs + Replacement Runs = WAR The results, for my season, was that myWAR was higher than ootpWAR on average by 0.93 for 162 games played (So, if ootpWAR was 2, mine was 2.93). And there definitely was a positional difference. Here was the average WAR difference based off position based off 162 games played (Positive: Mine was highers, Negative: OOTP was higher. Rounded to .05 for easy sake): C:+1.85 1B:+.60 2B:+.55 3B:+1.00 SS:+1.25 LF:+.90 CF:+.70 RF:+.65 As we can see, that's quite a discrepancy, especially for catchers. If we want to look at what exactly the difference is between them just from a positional standpoint (calling .9 the average for easy sake): C:+.95 1B:-.30 2B:-.35 3B:+.10 SS:+.35 LF:+.00 CF:-.20 RF:-.25 So the difference between C and 2B (the biggest discrepancy) over 162 games is 1.3 WAR, which is a pretty significant amount. Also, I checked out pitcher war. I haven't seen anything about how to calculate a pitcher's position runs, so I decided to see roughly what OOTP was using for that. Based off using the Offensive Runs, Defensive Runs, and Replacement Runs, Pitchers needed a +40 positional run in order for myWAR to equal ootpWAR. So that seems quite a significant boost as well. Obviously my way is not perfect due to the positional rating problem but it did support my hypothesis. I was curious if anyone working at OOTP could share just how they calculate WAR and, more specifically, their positional numbers. Thanks
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Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Long Island
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Dodo, I would not waste much time on this. WAR and VORP (and some other sabermetric statistics) are inherently imprecise and subject to variability as to method of calculation. The makers of this game use a proprietary set of formulas which may not be exactly what you have learned and use. Which is why I don't put much stock and faith in them, really. When I do pay attention to them, I use them as RELATIVES (comparing one player to another) rather than ABSOLUTES.
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Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK
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Yeah, since all SS and C are equally affected then it makes no difference when evaluating them. It may prevent SS and C from winning an MVP though. The game seems to favor highest WAR in that case.
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Join Date: Aug 2007
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And I agree WAR is not absolute but it is the best "all in one stat" available. And there will be variations, but that's why I asked how they calculate it because I'm curious as to how it's different (Much like Baseball-Reference WAR is different than FanGraphs WAR, but one can easily look up what the differences are). |
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