Fan Loyalty Index

DDover · 03-27-2013, 10:43 AM

For the Major League Season - is the Fan Loyalty Index based on reality or just randomly calculated? Sad to see my Astros are bottom of the barrel this year - but it's not surprising.

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tds787 · 04-02-2013, 08:34 PM

I've never figured out how that, or market size, or fan interest is calculated.

I've often see fictional leagues where NY or Manhattan is a below average market size.

I guess it depends on players, history, etc. but I can never figure it out.

shawa666 · 04-02-2013, 11:00 PM

As far as I've been able to determine

Market: Total "population" basin available

Loyalty: Bandwagon factor. seems Market is divided in two between what I call the bandwagon fans and the core fans. the higher the loyalty number the more there is core fans.

Interest: interest of the core fan base. Bandwagoneers will show up based on standings position.

tds787 · 04-03-2013, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by shawa666

As far as I've been able to determine

Market: Total "population" basin available

Loyalty: Bandwagon factor. seems Market is divided in two between what I call the bandwagon fans and the core fans. the higher the loyalty number the more there is core fans.

Interest: interest of the core fan base. Bandwagoneers will show up based on standings position.

By those standards, Market shouldn't really change all that much. Yes, some cities are bigger in 2013 than in the 1921 but it should be pretty consistent. Also, NY and LA should never be small markets, but they frequently are...

Cinnamon J. Scudworth · 04-03-2013, 11:56 AM

Market size in OOTP exists AFAIK entirely to drive national/local media income. Therefore, in real life you would think of it as being indirectly related to population, but as far as the game goes it doesn't really matter. It's really more about "brand awareness of a team," in the sense that a team may be in a located in a medium-sized city but be very popular regionally (St. Louis Cardinals) or located in a big city but be less popular than a neighbor (New York Mets).

As far as I can tell, fan interest and loyalty fluctuate according to short term and long term team success, respectively, and are independent of market size (I've seen teams with a small market size fill stadiums to capacity if their fan interest is high enough). Over longer periods of time, it seems like sustained high or low fan interest and fan loyality ratings will shift market size to small degrees.

cavebutter · 04-03-2013, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cinnamon J. Scudworth

It's really more about "brand awareness of a team," in the sense that a team may be in a located in a medium-sized city but be very popular regionally (St. Louis Cardinals) or located in a big city but be less popular than a neighbor (New York Mets).

That's a great explanation. I believe market size is about fan base rather than the number of televisions in that city.

TGH-Adfabre · 04-03-2013, 11:15 PM

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Over longer periods of time, it seems like sustained high or low fan interest and fan loyalty ratings will shift market size to small degrees.

I have seen drastic Market size through sustained winning. I am not 100% that there was no "Luck" factor to the increase.

Le Grande Orange · 04-04-2013, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by cavebutter

That's a great explanation. I believe market size is about fan base rather than the number of televisions in that city.

More or less, yes. Market size in OOTP is not tied in any way to the population of the host city.

The advantage of this method is that it allows ANY city to host a major league club regardless of its size. Which is nice for someone who, for example, wants to put a major league team in their hometown of 50,000 people—the team will be able to compete in economic terms against the other teams in much larger cities. The disadvantage is that it's not a particularly realistic depiction—Peoria does not have anywhere near the economic capacity to support a major league club as does Philadelphia, for example.

03-27-2013, 10:43 AM	#1
DDover Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Cypress, TX, USA Posts: 42	Fan Loyalty Index For the Major League Season - is the Fan Loyalty Index based on reality or just randomly calculated? Sad to see my Astros are bottom of the barrel this year - but it's not surprising. Fan Index

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tds787 Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2012 Location: East Valley, Arizona Posts: 173	I've never figured out how that, or market size, or fan interest is calculated. I've often see fictional leagues where NY or Manhattan is a below average market size. I guess it depends on players, history, etc. but I can never figure it out. __________________ Cheers

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Cinnamon J. Scudworth All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 1,118	Market size in OOTP exists AFAIK entirely to drive national/local media income. Therefore, in real life you would think of it as being indirectly related to population, but as far as the game goes it doesn't really matter. It's really more about "brand awareness of a team," in the sense that a team may be in a located in a medium-sized city but be very popular regionally (St. Louis Cardinals) or located in a big city but be less popular than a neighbor (New York Mets). As far as I can tell, fan interest and loyalty fluctuate according to short term and long term team success, respectively, and are independent of market size (I've seen teams with a small market size fill stadiums to capacity if their fan interest is high enough). Over longer periods of time, it seems like sustained high or low fan interest and fan loyality ratings will shift market size to small degrees. __________________ "Sometimes, this is like going to a grocery store. You’ve got a list until you get to the check-out stand. And then you start reading People magazine, and all this other [stuff] ends up in the basket." -Sandy Alderson on the MLB offseason Last edited by Cinnamon J. Scudworth; 04-03-2013 at 11:57 AM.

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shawa666 All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 601 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	As far as I've been able to determine Market: Total "population" basin available Loyalty: Bandwagon factor. seems Market is divided in two between what I call the bandwagon fans and the core fans. the higher the loyalty number the more there is core fans. Interest: interest of the core fan base. Bandwagoneers will show up based on standings position.