Breaks between half-innings should make a pitcher Ready.

[IStillDream]

(I'm appologize if I'm violating some kind of etiquette by posting so often as a new member, espescially as a decent portion of it has been critque. It's only because I can't remember the last time I have been as captured by a game as I have by this one, and so when I notice one of its rare flaws I feel like I should help to make it more perfect.)

It seems as though the system in the game for warming up pitchers is based on pitches thrown or batters faced, which works perfectly for relievers who you start warming during an inning. However, it fails to take into account that the time that passes between innings is also useful for this purpose. I most frequently encounter this when my team takes the leas with one or two outs in the bottom of the 8th (if at home) or top of the 9th (if away) and I tell my closer to start warming. If only 1 or two more batters then come up for me, the next half inning starts and my pitcher is nowhere near ready to come in.

[cardsfan05]

To deal with it as it currently stands you can just visit the mound to start off the new inning. If you already pinch hit for the pitcher just leave the PH in game as the pitcher when you visit the mound. If that does not give your reliever enough time switch the pitcher with another fielder already in the game and then visit the mound again. That should do it. If not continue again. Just make sure you put all the players back at the positions they should be at before the reliever starts pitching.

[Simmo13]

Originally Posted by IStillDream

(I'm appologize if I'm violating some kind of etiquette by posting so often as a new member, espescially as a decent portion of it has been critque. It's only because I can't remember the last time I have been as captured by a game as I have by this one, and so when I notice one of its rare flaws I feel like I should help to make it more perfect.)

It seems as though the system in the game for warming up pitchers is based on pitches thrown or batters faced, which works perfectly for relievers who you start warming during an inning. However, it fails to take into account that the time that passes between innings is also useful for this purpose. I most frequently encounter this when my team takes the leas with one or two outs in the bottom of the 8th (if at home) or top of the 9th (if away) and I tell my closer to start warming. If only 1 or two more batters then come up for me, the next half inning starts and my pitcher is nowhere near ready to come in.

You're not violating any etiquette that I'm aware of......and welcome to this great game and it's community! When the warm-up option was introduced I seem to remember Markus saying that it would take the time of 14/15 pitches for the reliever to be ready, so a mound visit (or the time between innings) might each account for 5 pitches worth. I suppose that if three batters ground out on the first one or two pitches then, even with the time between innings, that still only accounts for 10 pitches. As I say, this is only from memory but I play out all my team's games and this formula seems to tally with my observations. hope this helps.

[injury log]

Yes, the game does already take into account the time between innings when you warm up guys in the bullpen, though at a guess I think the game treats the time between innings as the rough equivalent of facing one batter during an inning. Maybe the effect should be larger, but I think I like the fact that the game forces me to plan my bullpen strategy a bit far in advance. I think if it's too easy to get the bullpen arms you need warmed up, the warmup feature isn't all that interesting from a gameplay point of view.

[StyxNCa]

Originally Posted by Simmo13

You're not violating any etiquette that I'm aware of......and welcome to this great game and it's community! When the warm-up option was introduced I seem to remember Markus saying that it would take the time of 14/15 pitches for the reliever to be ready, so a mound visit (or the time between innings) might each account for 5 pitches worth. I suppose that if three batters ground out on the first one or two pitches then, even with the time between innings, that still only accounts for 10 pitches. As I say, this is only from memory but I play out all my team's games and this formula seems to tally with my observations. hope this helps.

The between inning breaks would account for more than 10 pitches. That's TV commercial time. Next time you watch a game, see how much time elapses between the 3rd out and the next AB. At least 5 mins. If a pitcher throws only 1 pitch a minute he'd never get warm.

[Simmo13]

Originally Posted by StyxNCa

The between inning breaks would account for more than 10 pitches. That's TV commercial time. Next time you watch a game, see how much time elapses between the 3rd out and the next AB. At least 5 mins. If a pitcher throws only 1 pitch a minute he'd never get warm.

Styx, I agree with you that the time between innings should account for more pitches, I just get the impression that the game doesn't. Actually I've just checked the manual and it says "12-15 pitches" to get the reliever ready.....I'll keep a closer eye on this aspect of my games.

[IStillDream]

Originally Posted by Simmo13

You're not violating any etiquette that I'm aware of......and welcome to this great game and it's community! When the warm-up option was introduced I seem to remember Markus saying that it would take the time of 14/15 pitches for the reliever to be ready, so a mound visit (or the time between innings) might each account for 5 pitches worth. I suppose that if three batters ground out on the first one or two pitches then, even with the time between innings, that still only accounts for 10 pitches. As I say, this is only from memory but I play out all my team's games and this formula seems to tally with my observations. hope this helps.

Thank you! And right, I just think that (as was said below), that from what I've seen at ML games, the ammount of time between innings seems like it would last at least the equivalent of 10 pitches, and maybe more like 15.

[BIG17EASY]

Originally Posted by StyxNCa

The between inning breaks would account for more than 10 pitches. That's TV commercial time. Next time you watch a game, see how much time elapses between the 3rd out and the next AB. At least 5 mins. If a pitcher throws only 1 pitch a minute he'd never get warm.

Typical commercial time between innings in the regular season is two minutes. Obviously that increases in the post season when networks are selling more ads.

The bigger issue at hand is that most pitching changes between innings take place as soon as the previous half-inning ends, so the new pitcher who is entering gets the standard seven warm-up pitches on the game mound, not however many he can throw in a two-minute window before the TV break ends. It is conceivable that a pitcher could throw a few warm-up pitches quickly before jogging in to throw his seven on the mound, but he still won't get as many as if he spent the whole inning break in the pen. Quite often we see the guy head out of the bullpen before the commercial break even starts, though.

I could be wrong about this (paging LGO), but I'm pretty sure that if the pitcher who's in the game throws the warm-up pitches between innings, he must throw at least one pitch to the first batter before a pitching change can be made. So a manager can't let his reliever continue to warm in the pen, then make a pitching change after the TV break.

Now, obviously OOTP doesn't replicate inning breaks the same way since the following inning starts instantaneously. So there's really no way for a pitcher to get the proper warm-up time between innings. If Markus codes it to give a pitcher two minutes of bullpen time, that's not realistic if that pitcher is starting the inning. But if that pitcher is warming up to possibly come in if the leadoff hitter gets on, then he should get that two minutes of bullpen time. You can see the obvious conflict in how the inning breaks should be handled.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by IStillDream

(I'm appologize if I'm violating some kind of etiquette by posting so often as a new member, espescially as a decent portion of it has been critque. It's only because I can't remember the last time I have been as captured by a game as I have by this one, and so when I notice one of its rare flaws I feel like I should help to make it more perfect.)

Welcome to OOTP! We love the game but we also criticize it and bitch about its flaws, so why shouldn't you?

[Simmo13]

I've been keeping note of relievers warming up in some of my teams spring training games. FWIW here are the details....all from the moment the RP starts warming up.

1) my team batting: 3 batters (8 pitches faced) + time between innings+ 1 pitch........pitcher ready
2) first 4 batters (14 pitches faced)...pitcher ready
3) 2 batters (9 pitches faced)+mound visit+1 pitch....pitcher ready
4) 2 batters (5 pitches faced) + time between innings + 4 pitches....pitcher ready
5) 2 batters (8 pitches faced)+ mound visit+1 pitch...pitcher ready
6) 2 batters (6 pitches faced)+ 1 batter (2 pitches and 2 throws to 1st base) + 1 batter (2 pitches and 2 throws to 1st base).....ready

It seems that a mound visit and time between innings are worth 4/5 pitches but that throws to a base are also counted (never knew that). The games were all March/April and weather conditions cold.

[professor ape]

Originally Posted by IStillDream

(I'm appologize if I'm violating some kind of etiquette by posting so often as a new member, espescially as a decent portion of it has been critque. It's only because I can't remember the last time I have been as captured by a game as I have by this one, and so when I notice one of its rare flaws I feel like I should help to make it more perfect.)

It seems as though the system in the game for warming up pitchers is based on pitches thrown or batters faced, which works perfectly for relievers who you start warming during an inning. However, it fails to take into account that the time that passes between innings is also useful for this purpose. I most frequently encounter this when my team takes the leas with one or two outs in the bottom of the 8th (if at home) or top of the 9th (if away) and I tell my closer to start warming. If only 1 or two more batters then come up for me, the next half inning starts and my pitcher is nowhere near ready to come in.

POST AWAY BABY! POST AWAY! As long as your critiques are constructive (which is not always the case on these boards. Usually, but not always).

[StyxNCa]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Welcome to OOTP! We love the game but we also criticize it and bitch about its flaws, so why shouldn't you?

I would never gripe. :-)

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by StyxNCa

I would never gripe. :-)

Did your nose just grow three inches?