commissioner approval of trades/5-hit games

[bjenglert77]

I was wondering if I could get a groundswell of support on a topic: commissioner approval of trades. I find when I play OOTP 13 and allow trades, that sometimes a deal is made that I deem unrealistic or just plain dumb. Recent example, I was playing 2012 season and the first-place Detroit Tigers traded Prince Fielder for a prospects. WTF?!?

Now, I usually play in commissioner mode so I can undo those trades, but they still turn up in the transactions log. Would anyone else support the idea of - when playing in commissioner mode - that the commissioner has to approve all trades? That way it would be an option that is realistic (since real commissioner's office has final approval over trades, particular complex financial ones) and it could also prevent deals that don't seem plausible.

On a side note, why are 5-hit games so common? This is very very very rare in MLB, yet it happens all the time ALL THE TIME in OOTP 13. 6-hit games happen too, that's like a once-in-a-decade occurrence...

Thoughts? Still a fantastic, great, awesome game, but I value realism over all else and it irks me when it's not realistic! Thanks!

[NYY #23]

6 hit games aren't quite that rare - Six Hits in One Game by Baseball Almanac

Just doing a quick search there were 42 5-hit games in 2008, which was a record at the time. They both seem in line with what I see.

The option seems reasonable if you are in commissioner mode. I wouldn't be in favor of forcing approval though.

[The Wolf]

How can a dumb trade be unrealistic? Napoli for Wells, anyone?

Real life GM's really do make dumb trades. Therefore the AI making the occaisional dumb trade is realistic.

[OutS|der]

Originally Posted by bjenglert77

I was wondering if I could get a groundswell of support on a topic: commissioner approval of trades. I find when I play OOTP 13 and allow trades, that sometimes a deal is made that I deem unrealistic or just plain dumb. Recent example, I was playing 2012 season and the first-place Detroit Tigers traded Prince Fielder for a prospects. WTF?!?

Now, I usually play in commissioner mode so I can undo those trades, but they still turn up in the transactions log. Would anyone else support the idea of - when playing in commissioner mode - that the commissioner has to approve all trades? That way it would be an option that is realistic (since real commissioner's office has final approval over trades, particular complex financial ones) and it could also prevent deals that don't seem plausible.

On a side note, why are 5-hit games so common? This is very very very rare in MLB, yet it happens all the time ALL THE TIME in OOTP 13. 6-hit games happen too, that's like a once-in-a-decade occurrence...

Thoughts? Still a fantastic, great, awesome game, but I value realism over all else and it irks me when it's not realistic! Thanks!

Approve all trades? I'd spend more time looking at the trades then i would get to play. Maybe if i can set a threshold then maybe i might go for it but if i had to approve every single trade it would get boring real quick. Just imagine if you had it set to a higher trade frequncey.

As for Feilder being traded that's because Caberea is seen as an option at 1B to so they have a surplus of them, it doesn't see that it just signed the player or for how much. It just knows it has a surplus at 1B and trades one. Ignore the name then look at the trade and t might not look so bad.

[Simmo13]

FWIW, just checked my league (2x8 teams/154 game season) and there were 12 5-hit games last season which seems about right.

[Raidergoo]

Trading Fielder sounds like a good idea. Slot Cabrera at 1B, get rid of Fielder's albatross of a contract, and get prospects. That's the sort of deal I would like to see from the AI.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Raidergoo

Trading Fielder sounds like a good idea. Slot Cabrera at 1B, get rid of Fielder's albatross of a contract, and get prospects. That's the sort of deal I would like to see from the AI.

Plus the fact that the best player in the Tigers farm system is a third baseman, Nick Castellanos. Right now in real life they are attempting to turn him into a outfielder.

[Raidergoo]

I had to research Detroit a little bit, because I am not familiar with them, and I'm miles from my copy of the game. After reading a little bit about Castellanos, and why the Tiger DH situation stinks, I'd say that dealing Fielder was a really bright idea.

[madJ]

Originally Posted by Raidergoo

I had to research Detroit a little bit, because I am not familiar with them, and I'm miles from my copy of the game. After reading a little bit about Castellanos, and why the Tiger DH situation stinks, I'd say that dealing Fielder was a really bright idea.

Signing Fielder to that contract was a really dumb idea to begin with. So we can't expect the Tigers to do such a bright move in real life.

[bjenglert77]

C'mon now. Dumb trades happen all the time, sure. But anybody know Napoli was going to do that last year? No. As for Fielder, the move was brilliant to sign him. The biggest hangup was could Cabrera play third or not? Turns out he can quite adequately and the signing has worked out quite well. Unfortunately for the Tigers, not everything else has.

Anyway, regardless of one's opinion of the trades, I still would like to see an option in Commissioner Mode to approve trades because the AI doesn't always know what it is doing.

[Cras]

Brilliant to sign Fielder? What convinced you of that? Is it because they are 2 and a half games behind the White Sox in the sorriest division in Major League Baseball? I love that the Tigers are burdened down by that horrid contract and they have Cabrera trying to play 3B. Should leave their hands nice and tied for the next few years.

[The Wolf]

I'd trade Fielder in a heartbeat for some good prospects and move Cabrera back to 1st and put Castellanos at 3rd. That would save a boatload of money and improve my team.

I must be as dumb as the AI.

[rudel.dietrich]

You can also edit the transaction log too. In fact you can edit just about any log.

[OutS|der]

Originally Posted by bjenglert77

C'mon now. Dumb trades happen all the time, sure. But anybody know Napoli was going to do that last year? No. As for Fielder, the move was brilliant to sign him. The biggest hangup was could Cabrera play third or not? Turns out he can quite adequately and the signing has worked out quite well. Unfortunately for the Tigers, not everything else has.

Anyway, regardless of one's opinion of the trades, I still would like to see an option in Commissioner Mode to approve trades because the AI doesn't always know what it is doing.

So because of 1 trade in a 1000 you didn't like you want to sift though all the trades? The Fielder trade can be explained away so it's not really a dumb move or even close to being bad enough that you have to watch the AI's every move.
Maybe more importace should be put on the fact he signed a monster contract recently and by that logic wouldn't be traded, but that might just end up with Cabrera getting traded more.

I admit moves like this doesn't make the AI look good untill you start looking at it closer and see that it wasn't so dumb after all, it still wouldn't happen in RL though so it shouldn't really happen in the game.
The major contract then trade is the unrealistic part, not who got traded, i'd rather have that part fixed then be forced to approve trades even if i can turn it off.

[bjenglert77]

Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

You can also edit the transaction log too. In fact you can edit just about any log.

I've looked into doing this, I guess I must be missing it. Would you mind telling me how to edit the transaction log?

Thanks!

And for all the Fielder haters, I'm a Dodger fan, and when I found out we just missed out on getting him because V-Mart got hurt, I was bummed! He's a great sign and he's having another productive season despite playing half his games in cavernous Comerica Park.

White Sox fan, pretty sure the Adam Dunn contract cancels out any advantage you had on the Tigers' being financially locked in to Fielder. If Fielder was having a crap season, then yeah, you could all say that was a bad sign, but since he's not, that's a good sign.

[bjenglert77]

Originally Posted by OutS|der

So because of 1 trade in a 1000 you didn't like you want to sift though all the trades? The Fielder trade can be explained away so it's not really a dumb move or even close to being bad enough that you have to watch the AI's every move.
Maybe more importace should be put on the fact he signed a monster contract recently and by that logic wouldn't be traded, but that might just end up with Cabrera getting traded more.

I admit moves like this doesn't make the AI look good untill you start looking at it closer and see that it wasn't so dumb after all, it still wouldn't happen in RL though so it shouldn't really happen in the game.
The major contract then trade is the unrealistic part, not who got traded, i'd rather have that part fixed then be forced to approve trades even if i can turn it off.

The Fielder trade was just one example. I routinely back out several trades a season that aren't plausible. I get that the AI only sees positions, talent ratings and how they fit, so in the case of Fielder, it sees 2 first basemen. That's why it's called AI. Artificial Intelligence. As in, not as good as real intelligence. I'd have no problem commissioner approving every trade. I spend more time setting up rosters, logos, ballparks, etc anyway so a little more tedium doesn't bother me to get the results I want.

[NYY #23]

Originally Posted by bjenglert77

And for all the Fielder haters, I'm a Dodger fan, and when I found out we just missed out on getting him because V-Mart got hurt, I was bummed! He's a great sign and he's having another productive season despite playing half his games in cavernous Comerica Park.

White Sox fan, pretty sure the Adam Dunn contract cancels out any advantage you had on the Tigers' being financially locked in to Fielder. If Fielder was having a crap season, then yeah, you could all say that was a bad sign, but since he's not, that's a good sign.

4/$56 is a pretty big difference than 9/$214. I don't think the Tigers will regret Fielder this year, it's the later years in the contract they will likely regret. Players like Fielder don't generally age well, and they'll be paying for Fielder long after Dunn's contract is up.

[bjenglert77]

Well, jeez a team's just gotta go for it! You think the Angels don't know the last few years of Pujols' contract is going to suck? If the Tigers win a World Series in the next few years and Fielder happens to be a big reason why, then the contract is great.