No outs, man on third

MizzouRah · 07-16-2012, 11:55 PM

Double play ball.. runner on third base doesn't come home, DP is made and now I'm sitting with a runner on third base and two outs?

bazeall · 07-17-2012, 12:32 AM

That play just happened a week or two ago in an Astros game. There was a DP ball, I thought I saw the runner go home, scored it as a DP with the run scoring. The supervisor in NY messaged "hey, stop, that run didn't score". The person I saw down the 3B line was the coach.

It happens.

olivertheorem · 07-17-2012, 01:04 AM

Where'd the batted ball go? If it was toward third, with no outs I can see the runner not going in time.

MizzouRah · 07-17-2012, 01:10 AM

It went to the SS.

I don't play many games out, but I'm seeing some really goofy base running and it's starting to piss me off.

I have a man on third base, speed 6/10, base running 10/10, only 1 out.. ball hit back through the box, SS scoops it up and throws the runner out at first base. WHY IN THE F DID THE RUNNER JUST STAND THERE ON 3B???

I'm down 1-0 in the 8th and that just might cost me this playoff game.

pstrickert · 07-17-2012, 01:15 AM

Post the game log for that inning(s).

MizzouRah · 07-17-2012, 01:29 AM

Here's the 2nd one, the odd thing is, it was the SS who made the put out, NOT the 2B as the game log says - the PbP specifically said, ball hit to Villar who is the SS for the Brewers, even so, through the box to the 2B, the runner should be going on contact:

TOP OF THE 8TH St. Louis Cardinals batting - Pitching for Milwaukee Brewers : RHP Jon Short Pinch Hitting: LHB Lúcio Rosa 0-0: SINGLE (Groundball, 6MD) Pinch Runner at 1st Benedicto Segura:
Batting: RHB Augusto Méndez 0-0: Ball
1-0: Called Strike
1-1: Ball
2-1: Called Strike
Benedicto Segura steals 2nd base
2-2: Fly out, F8 (Flyball, 8LXD)
Runner from 2nd tags up, SAFE at 3rd, no throw Batting: LHB Kang-il Yi 0-0: Ball
1-0: Ground out 4-3 (Groundball, 4M)

pstrickert · 07-17-2012, 01:40 AM

You're right. It doesn't make sense. Is your team's baserunning strategy set at ultra-cautious, by chance?

The Wolf · 07-17-2012, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Double play ball.. runner on third base doesn't come home, DP is made and now I'm sitting with a runner on third base and two outs?

Seen it happen IRL.

The Wolf · 07-17-2012, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

WHY IN THE F DID THE RUNNER JUST STAND THERE ON 3B???

Because the fielder froze him with a look? Seen it happen.

MizzouRah · 07-17-2012, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by pstrickert

You're right. It doesn't make sense. Is your team's baserunning strategy set at ultra-cautious, by chance?

No, it's actually two clicks towards AGGRESSIVE from the middle.

MizzouRah · 07-17-2012, 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Seen it happen IRL.

In a playoff game when my 3B coach tells him to run on contact?

Ok.. I made that last part up.

The Wolf · 07-17-2012, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

In a playoff game when my 3B coach tells him to run on contact?

Ok.. I made that last part up.

You own a team IRL?

MizzouRah · 07-17-2012, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

Because the fielder froze him with a look? Seen it happen.

Ball is hit through the box past the pitcher to the SS (pbp says 2b which doesn't jive with the pbp) either way, ground ball 8th inning, down by 1 run and you have a 10/10 base runner - he at least attempts to score. There is no 3B coach in the ML that wouldn't send him.

I'm not buying it..

MizzouRah · 07-17-2012, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

You own a team IRL?

No, but I did sleep at a Holliday Inn express.

MizzouRah · 07-17-2012, 02:09 AM

I might fire my whole staff after this series.

tds787 · 07-17-2012, 10:10 AM

The grounder may have been hit in an area in the field where the runner would be held up. Remember the play-by-play text is a bit random and won't always match up to exactly what happened on the field. You could have ended up with a ball hit to the shortstop which prevented the runner to move then the text goes into a random double play scenario where the SS takes it to the base. Doesn't make a ton of sense, I admit, but it is baseball and strange things happen all the time

Nugget699 · 07-17-2012, 10:15 AM

Or maybe the runner slipped and lost valuable time and decided not to risk it?

MizzouRah · 07-17-2012, 10:39 AM

Yeah, I'm sure it could happen.. the pbp needs some improvement. How can we paint this picture in our heads when the pbp doesn't explain things correctly?

tds787 · 07-17-2012, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Yeah, I'm sure it could happen.. the pbp needs some improvement. How can we paint this picture in our heads when the pbp doesn't explain things correctly?

Agreed but to be fair there are billions of variations of a billion possible plays to have to write and code in. Coding those freak plays are even more a pain; if they only happen once every 50 years you don't want it showing up every game but there will be a ton of those freak plays that a player will never see, ever.

Imagination is unfortunately required. Although we are all playing a text sim so imagination comes with the territory

sc_superstar · 07-17-2012, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by tds787

Agreed but to be fair there are billions of variations of a billion possible plays to have to write and code in. Coding those freak plays are even more a pain; if they only happen once every 50 years you don't want it showing up every game but there will be a ton of those freak plays that a player will never see, ever.

Imagination is unfortunately required. Although we are all playing a text sim so imagination comes with the territory

agreed. It sucks, but even a ultra-sharp ground ball to the SS could cause this to happen IRL.

07-16-2012, 11:55 PM	#1
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Troy, Mo Posts: 6,252	No outs, man on third Double play ball.. runner on third base doesn't come home, DP is made and now I'm sitting with a runner on third base and two outs?

07-17-2012, 12:32 AM	#2
bazeall Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 190	That play just happened a week or two ago in an Astros game. There was a DP ball, I thought I saw the runner go home, scored it as a DP with the run scoring. The supervisor in NY messaged "hey, stop, that run didn't score". The person I saw down the 3B line was the coach. It happens.

07-17-2012, 01:04 AM	#3
olivertheorem All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,919	Where'd the batted ball go? If it was toward third, with no outs I can see the runner not going in time.

07-17-2012, 01:10 AM	#4
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Troy, Mo Posts: 6,252	It went to the SS. I don't play many games out, but I'm seeing some really goofy base running and it's starting to piss me off. I have a man on third base, speed 6/10, base running 10/10, only 1 out.. ball hit back through the box, SS scoops it up and throws the runner out at first base. WHY IN THE F DID THE RUNNER JUST STAND THERE ON 3B??? I'm down 1-0 in the 8th and that just might cost me this playoff game.

07-17-2012, 01:15 AM	#5
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16,460	Post the game log for that inning(s).

07-17-2012, 01:29 AM	#6
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Troy, Mo Posts: 6,252	Here's the 2nd one, the odd thing is, it was the SS who made the put out, NOT the 2B as the game log says - the PbP specifically said, ball hit to Villar who is the SS for the Brewers, even so, through the box to the 2B, the runner should be going on contact: TOP OF THE 8TH St. Louis Cardinals batting - Pitching for Milwaukee Brewers : RHP Jon Short Pinch Hitting: LHB Lúcio Rosa 0-0: SINGLE (Groundball, 6MD) Pinch Runner at 1st Benedicto Segura: Batting: RHB Augusto Méndez 0-0: Ball 1-0: Called Strike 1-1: Ball 2-1: Called Strike Benedicto Segura steals 2nd base 2-2: Fly out, F8 (Flyball, 8LXD) Runner from 2nd tags up, SAFE at 3rd, no throw Batting: LHB Kang-il Yi 0-0: Ball 1-0: Ground out 4-3 (Groundball, 4M)

07-17-2012, 01:40 AM	#7
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16,460	You're right. It doesn't make sense. Is your team's baserunning strategy set at ultra-cautious, by chance?

07-17-2012, 02:09 AM	#15
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Troy, Mo Posts: 6,252	I might fire my whole staff after this series.

07-17-2012, 10:10 AM	#16
tds787 Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2012 Location: East Valley, Arizona Posts: 173	The grounder may have been hit in an area in the field where the runner would be held up. Remember the play-by-play text is a bit random and won't always match up to exactly what happened on the field. You could have ended up with a ball hit to the shortstop which prevented the runner to move then the text goes into a random double play scenario where the SS takes it to the base. Doesn't make a ton of sense, I admit, but it is baseball and strange things happen all the time

07-17-2012, 10:15 AM	#17
Nugget699 Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Sydney Posts: 444	Or maybe the runner slipped and lost valuable time and decided not to risk it?

07-17-2012, 10:39 AM	#18
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Troy, Mo Posts: 6,252	Yeah, I'm sure it could happen.. the pbp needs some improvement. How can we paint this picture in our heads when the pbp doesn't explain things correctly?