Anyone else useing the Sabermetrics system on your team?

Kazlin · 06-17-2012, 08:48 PM

I am currently working my way up the chain in a very small market team in my Fic league of 30 teams. I am gonna use the sabermetrics to pick players for my team once i get up to GM position.

I love the Oakland A's as my MLB team in real life and love what they try to do each year with very low player payroll if they ever win the World Series with this Formula they may change the way baseball is played.

I will spend hours on hours at a time looking at different players in the game to find the right mix of players on my other save. Even though the other save is the 1st in player payroll in the league i decided to not play that one for a bit because it didn't seem challenging to me to constantly win each year with the team i put together. That is one reason i refuse to play a MLB save because i know all the best players and the best prospects in the league so again it wont be challenging for me.

If you don't know what sabermetrics is do a Google search for it and read all the stat category you need to pay attention to.

Pacoheadley · 06-17-2012, 09:07 PM

Just for the record, the As are no longer really the top team in using sabermetrics, every team in the league uses them to some extent, albeit some more than others. The Rays and Red Sox are a couple of the biggest users, while the Phillies and my Tigers

are two of the teams who don't use them much.

The Game · 06-17-2012, 10:48 PM

While Billy Bean used sabremetrics to go after cheap talent, no one mentions the fact that he had at least 2 players on steroids and 3 dominating pitchers.

Skyflame21 · 06-18-2012, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by The Game

While Billy Bean used sabremetrics to go after cheap talent, no one mentions the fact that he had at least 2 players on steroids and 3 dominating pitchers.

Also, I find it very amusing that they never won anything. They had 3 solid pitchers (Zito, Hudson and Mulder) and the biggest foul territory ball park in badeball. It's funny how none of the 3 pitchers have done muh in career since leaving.

Sabermetrics is a nice added nuance to evaluations but nothing beats the eye test. Oakland has missed just as much on prospects as any other team.

Pacoheadley · 06-18-2012, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Skyflame21

Also, I find it very amusing that they never won anything. They had 3 solid pitchers (Zito, Hudson and Mulder) and the biggest foul territory ball park in badeball. It's funny how none of the 3 pitchers have done muh in career since leaving.

Sabermetrics is a nice added nuance to evaluations but nothing beats the eye test. Oakland has missed just as much on prospects as any other team.

They never won because they had a tiny payroll and Beane wasn't quite as advanced as people think he was. The bottom line is that sabermetric stats are better predictors of how people will do than normal stats, so combining sabermetrics with actual scouting is the way it should be done.

GlennCraven · 06-18-2012, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Skyflame21

Also, I find it very amusing that they never won anything. They had 3 solid pitchers (Zito, Hudson and Mulder) and the biggest foul territory ball park in badeball. It's funny how none of the 3 pitchers have done muh in career since leaving.

"Never won anything" is unfair. Three times from 2002-2006 the A's won the AL West despite having one of the lowest payrolls in baseball. ... There are a number of clubs that haven't been to the playoffs at all during the past 10 years. The Pittsburgh Pirates haven't been over .500 in 19 years.

The A's have done some winning in the last decade.

But now everybody's catching up on the Sabermetrics. There was an excellent feature on ESPN a week or two ago about it; how there isn't a team in the league that isn't doing it to at least some extent. And that makes the playing field even less level than before if you're a small-market team, because you no longer have "the secret" of Sabermetrics to assist in player evaluation. It's a tool everybody uses, and the big-market teams have more money than ever to bid on the players you're all now identifying (through similar means) as worthwhile.

Finally, I'll tell you what beats "the eye test" -- a team of guys who can really play ball, appearances notwithstanding.

And that's what Sabermetrics attempts to do: Remove personal bias and subjective opinion to objectively identify the best ballplayers -- the guys who are getting the job done, regardless how they might look doing it.

Tony Gwynn failed the eye test. Greg Luzinski failed the eye test. John Kruk failed the eye test. Heaven knows Kirby Puckett and the Fielders, Cecil and Prince, all failed the eye test.

But they could/can play the game.

GlennCraven · 06-18-2012, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by The Game

While Billy Bean used sabremetrics to go after cheap talent, no one mentions the fact that he had at least 2 players on steroids and 3 dominating pitchers.

In that era, just about every club had a guy or two on steroids. Some of the users would suggest it was an even higher number than that.

Tigers84 · 06-18-2012, 01:09 PM

I agree that the cat is pretty much out of the bag when it comes to Sabermetrics. It's math and science, and it really can't be argued with, however, when a player begins to produce the big numbers that don't lie, he can demand the big numbers for his paycheck.

I think Sabermetrics is a tool, not a solution. The small market team will use Sabermetrics to get the most value from a player for the price they pay. A Prince Fielder puts up the numbers and so commands the price of those numbers. A small market team, has to make do with less and perhaps find a combination of cheaper players that produce the same numbers that Fielder can for the same price.

People begrudge the Yankees because they simply buy the best players, and so they are the 'Evil Empire', that gobbles up all the best players, and deep down we hate them because we wish our teams spent the money like the Yankees did.

As a Tigers fan though, I'm pretty indifferent to the Yankees. I'm happy to say that Mike Illitch has proven to be an owner who will go toe to toe with any team, including the Yankees to bid on the players Dave Dumbrowski says will improve our team. Now I can't speak for the Yankees, as I don't live in New York and I don't know enough about the organization, but what I do know about the Illitch's is that once he brings players to his teams, he makes them family and they're loyal for life, and when the opportunity comes to get a better player, his players will take pay cuts to make it happen.

I don't hate the Yankees, and I can't argue with their success, but I don't begrudge them for it. I'm a Tigers fan, and the only teams I hate are the White Sox and the Twins!

06-17-2012, 08:48 PM	#1
Kazlin Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 5	Anyone else useing the Sabermetrics system on your team? I am currently working my way up the chain in a very small market team in my Fic league of 30 teams. I am gonna use the sabermetrics to pick players for my team once i get up to GM position. I love the Oakland A's as my MLB team in real life and love what they try to do each year with very low player payroll if they ever win the World Series with this Formula they may change the way baseball is played. I will spend hours on hours at a time looking at different players in the game to find the right mix of players on my other save. Even though the other save is the 1st in player payroll in the league i decided to not play that one for a bit because it didn't seem challenging to me to constantly win each year with the team i put together. That is one reason i refuse to play a MLB save because i know all the best players and the best prospects in the league so again it wont be challenging for me. If you don't know what sabermetrics is do a Google search for it and read all the stat category you need to pay attention to.

06-17-2012, 09:07 PM	#2
Pacoheadley All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Kincheloe, MI Posts: 521	Just for the record, the As are no longer really the top team in using sabermetrics, every team in the league uses them to some extent, albeit some more than others. The Rays and Red Sox are a couple of the biggest users, while the Phillies and my Tigers are two of the teams who don't use them much.

06-17-2012, 10:48 PM	#3
The Game Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Inside The Game Posts: 30,937	While Billy Bean used sabremetrics to go after cheap talent, no one mentions the fact that he had at least 2 players on steroids and 3 dominating pitchers.

06-18-2012, 01:09 PM	#8
Tigers84 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 21	I agree that the cat is pretty much out of the bag when it comes to Sabermetrics. It's math and science, and it really can't be argued with, however, when a player begins to produce the big numbers that don't lie, he can demand the big numbers for his paycheck. I think Sabermetrics is a tool, not a solution. The small market team will use Sabermetrics to get the most value from a player for the price they pay. A Prince Fielder puts up the numbers and so commands the price of those numbers. A small market team, has to make do with less and perhaps find a combination of cheaper players that produce the same numbers that Fielder can for the same price. People begrudge the Yankees because they simply buy the best players, and so they are the 'Evil Empire', that gobbles up all the best players, and deep down we hate them because we wish our teams spent the money like the Yankees did. As a Tigers fan though, I'm pretty indifferent to the Yankees. I'm happy to say that Mike Illitch has proven to be an owner who will go toe to toe with any team, including the Yankees to bid on the players Dave Dumbrowski says will improve our team. Now I can't speak for the Yankees, as I don't live in New York and I don't know enough about the organization, but what I do know about the Illitch's is that once he brings players to his teams, he makes them family and they're loyal for life, and when the opportunity comes to get a better player, his players will take pay cuts to make it happen. I don't hate the Yankees, and I can't argue with their success, but I don't begrudge them for it. I'm a Tigers fan, and the only teams I hate are the White Sox and the Twins!