Discussion concerning organization and usage of photo threads

[UKBaseballfan]

EDIT - I MOVED THESE POSTS TO THIER OWN THREAD AS I THINK IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO EVERYONE TO TALK THIS OUT. PLEASE SEE MY POST BELOW (#9) - WHEN MERGING POSTS INTO A NEW THREAD, THEY ARE ORDERED CHRONOLOGICALLY SO UK'S POST IS ON TOP - MY APOLOGIES FOR THAT. - CONN CHRIS



Facepack upgrade

Am I the only long-term user and contributor to this thread who is extremely alarmed by the direction it has taken over the last 6 months.

This site was fantastically succesful over a number of years because its contributors had a communal self-effacing approach where we all contributed towards the development of photopacks for the benefit of the greater good of us all.

Recently that philosophy seems to have been hijacked by an alternate one which places an emphasis on a more selfish personal benefit and personal kudos at the expense of benefit to the wider community.

[pegasus27]

Originally Posted by UKBaseballfan

Facepack upgrade

Am I the only long-term user and contributor to this thread who is extremely alarmed by the direction it has taken over the last 6 months.

This site was fantastically succesful over a number of years because its contributors had a communal self-effacing approach where we all contributed towards the development of photopacks for the benefit of the greater good of us all.

Recently that philosophy seems to have been hijacked by an alternate one which places an emphasis on a more selfish personal benefit and personal kudos at the expense of benefit to the wider community.

No you're not. Used to come here everyday. Now only once a week and now I have to sift through the personal stuff to try to find pics intended for the community as a whole.

While some newer members are posting nice photos this thread was not intended to be a way to display a collection or individual photos. Photos that have been posted were intended to fill a need in one or more of the photopacks that members were/are working on.

Some members have a wonderful knack for colorizing photos. While this thread was never intended to be a colorization forum it is true that some members have contributed by improving existing photos by colorizing them. It was never intended to be a request forum. While there is nothing wrong with colorizing pics for others I would request that those members do that through email or on another thread or perhaps create a separate thread for that purpose.

My two cents.

[okcochise]

Well since I am one that these posts are directed to, I will comply. I will not post any more photos at this site. I also will not post any links to the 20,000+ cards I have created. I felt this was a great community of posters who shared a variety of photos. If it is meant to only post the photos that are missing, I guess I will leave the 2-3 photos that will probably be posted per month to that end. After all, how many more photos could remain that exist that have not been posted. Also, if that is what this forum is for, the photos that are being collected are much too small for my use anyway. I never felt my posts were selfish but ok. I am done here.

[brobby05]

OKCochise...I don't mind exchanging work with you. You can send me private emails and we can figure out what we like.

I know the ones that I requested and asked to be colorized are unique to this site. I don't remember seeing them in the 1300+ pages of these 2 mod areas. I LOVE the colorizations and the talent involved. I KNOW that their efforts improve the enjoyment of the games. I know the pics that I got off this site is bringing more enjoyment to me. If it don't suit for the colorized ones that I wanted, to be posted here, PLEASE correspond with me by private messages or regular email.

Thanks for EVERYBODY'S efforts!

BRobby05

[ortforshort]

Originally Posted by pegasus27

No you're not. Used to come here everyday. Now only once a week and now I have to sift through the personal stuff to try to find pics intended for the community as a whole.

While some newer members are posting nice photos this thread was not intended to be a way to display a collection or individual photos. Photos that have been posted were intended to fill a need in one or more of the photopacks that members were/are working on.

Some members have a wonderful knack for colorizing photos. While this thread was never intended to be a colorization forum it is true that some members have contributed by improving existing photos by colorizing them. It was never intended to be a request forum. While there is nothing wrong with colorizing pics for others I would request that those members do that through email or on another thread or perhaps create a separate thread for that purpose.

My two cents.

When I first came on here, I asked if I were hijacking this thread, but didn't hear from your corner. If you guys would like to make this a photopack thread again, that would be great. However, can the rest of us agree on a new thread on this site for exchanging photos? There can be both, you know.

[ortforshort]

Originally Posted by okcochise

Well since I am one that these posts are directed to, I will comply. I will not post any more photos at this site. I also will not post any links to the 20,000+ cards I have created. I felt this was a great community of posters who shared a variety of photos. If it is meant to only post the photos that are missing, I guess I will leave the 2-3 photos that will probably be posted per month to that end. After all, how many more photos could remain that exist that have not been posted. Also, if that is what this forum is for, the photos that are being collected are much too small for my use anyway. I never felt my posts were selfish but ok. I am done here.

I'd like links to your cards. I also appreciate the stuff you're doing, we just need another thread to do it on and leave these guys to their thread.

[BigYaz]

Everyone has an opinion, so let me state mine.

I come here daily to see what photos are posted. I keep my own collection, with my own set of rules for what I want and don't want. For example, I collect headshots only. I make ALL of my pictures 90x135. I have collected/photoshopped hats of just about every player on every team from the late 1950s to today. I do not collect multiple b&w photos of players, one is usually enough for me. Lately my kick is to capture the various cap changes from year to year, so that teams like the 1974-78 Red Sox have the red hats, not the blue hats. Not everyone shares my choices. That's great! To each their own. Plenty to go around here.

The nature of the site has evolved because the goals have been shifting. At first, it was getting a pic of every player who ever played. Then it was every team every player ever played. And always it was improving the pics for the various collections that are out there. Colorization came later still.

Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, comes here looking for something. If you post something I don't want, I move to the next posting. IT'S THAT SIMPLE. TNFOTO, you don't even play a SIM BB Game and you continue to post pics in here...you keep us connected to the SABR community with pics no one has seen before, as well as upgrades of the collected pics. UK? You do a great job of checking to ensure that we have the right guys called out as well as re-posting pics that may have fallen through the cracks. I personally LOVE what OKCochise has done with pics/topps replicas. Colorization? Bring it on! You guys rock! I've tried my hand at colorization and I usually fail. Ctrane and Krantz, I envy your dedication to detail that I cannot muster. In fact, I am bummed out by the fact that Sal199 has his own thread. I'd prefer them here. I'm even more bummed out that I have to go to other sites to see what they've collected, because the persons who used to post here had some issue or another here. But that was their call. And you newbies? Keep posting! Maybe not every pic is a winner, but you're attempting to help others with pics that you yourself found interesting enough to post here. I know I get reticent to post my pics in here sometimes, but if I run across a good pic or a photoshop came out not half bad, I'll throw it up here and hope someone has a use for it.

I think UK was heading in one direction and Pegasus went in a tangent. Both of them, as well as you and I, have our opinions about this place. I've only gotten my nose bent out of joint twice in the past year...once was that silly flame war about yankee fans, phillie fans and red sox fans that had no business here at all (it was all a sarcastic remark that got taken the wrong way and exploded). That got nipped in the bud and it's now in our tail lights.

The other peeve I've had is the EXCESSIVE requests for colorization/photoshopping of pictures. And please, I'm not talking about one offs here. There is one poster here that has truly bummed me out with his "directing" and multiple requests for clean-up/photoshop/colorization. The thing that grates on me the most is that it does not appear he has any skills to do some of these things on his own. Even when he posts color pics here, they are almost always skewed pics that need to be stretched/cropped in PS before they could be useful. To this end, I have taken the step to actually block his posts on the forum, just so I don't get my blood boiling over them. I frankly do not care if he has 20,000 pictures to share, probably 19,000 of them have the wrong aspect ratio to be of any use to anyone else.

To wrap up, we all come here looking for something and many contribute and MANY MANY more leech, but the community is vibrant and varied and makes my SIM playing so much more fun! Don't take one person's rant as gospel for the rest of us (that goes for me as well). Stay, contribute, and make it better for the rest of us.

BigYaz

[UKBaseballfan]

Facepack upgrade

Originally Posted by ortforshort

When I first came on here, I asked if I were hijacking this thread, but didn't hear from your corner. If you guys would like to make this a photopack thread again, that would be great. However, can the rest of us agree on a new thread on this site for exchanging photos? There can be both, you know.

My concerns are not in respect of the photos posted to this thread. On the contrary I fear myself and others may be missing out because photos that previously would have been posted here are now being 'hidden' elsewhere. I agree totally with BigYaz over that and indeed nearly all of his views but am perturbed that he views me as a ranter.

I have always tried to encourage new users to share photos for the benefit of all.

You heard from my corner. It disturbs me when others who over a number of years have made a vast contribution to this site, and to the benefit of the community that use it, have their views or indeed right to silence questioned.

Initially this thread was introduced to develop a single photopack for the benefit of all. It has evolved and we have all benefited from others sharing their own photopacks that are often more expansive and also accomodate slightly differing needs and tastes. I, and I am sure many others are very grateful to those who have done so. Similarly contributors share individual photos from their collections for which we are all grateful. I hope this approach is maintained and encouraged so that the thread will flourish. In my mind it is a matter of balance. I think it has swung too much the other way towards the posting of individual photos, which in itself is not a problem. This I believe maybe becomes a problem if it is at the expense, to a significant extent, of us all working together towards the ongoing enhancement of facepacks for the benefit of all.

I think my concerns to some extent have been validated by the manner in which individuals have reacted. Rather than react by saying, OK let's find a way forward, or I think you are entitled to your views but I don't agree, instead I'm outta here.

I wish to emphasize that my concerns are in respect in what I perceive to be the increased emphasis now being placed on fulfilling personal needs rather than contributing to the communal good. I of course understand we all have differing tastes and requirements but am in accord that those could be pursued mainly through personal email.

[CONN CHRIS]

I visit this thread (and the other photo threads) daily. I have limited things to contribute - mainly, minor leaguers and Nippon players and take a lot. I am very appreciative of what is posted and love looking at the photos even if I don't want them.

I agree with every word of what BigYaz said. I have one other pet peeve poster who sniped at several people including me (I was called an imperious clown! ) because he took great offense at innocuous comments; he deleted some of his posts and left in a huff. Frankly, who needs that - good riddance.

As for the rest of you wanting to leave due to others' posting styles:

I hope the folks saying that they are pulling up stakes and leaving will re-consider. This is a community with shifting interests all revolving around a love of baseball photos. Messy stuff but certainly worth suffering one another from time to time. If it is all getting too messy to be usefull to you, start a thread discussing how we might better organize things - that's what we did in the boxing basement years ago and the photo sub-forum in the TBCB Mods forums was developed. It works for us, I don't know what would work best up here but if you talk about it rather than silently being irritated until you just can take it no longer and then blurt out a post, we'll all end up a little poorer because of the people that leave (well, poorer due to almost anyone that chooses to leave).

[brobby05]

I totally agree with Conn Chris. I'm new to this forum...I was looking for photos that I can use in the game that I play. I'm also willing to share what I have with anyone. I just need some guidance since I don't have the game myself. Please...if I'm doing wrong, please...send me a private message and let me know what I'm doing wrong.

In the old baseball simulation site where all the games were represented, I uploaded tons of uniforms and photos for HH2003. I want to help out as well as reap the work of others.

Thanks,

BRobby05

[BigYaz]

UK, you are not a ranter in my book. Not in the least. I agree with your comments 100 percent.

Please accept my apologies. I was a bit worked up last night and if you believe any of my venom ended up in your corner, shame on me.

[tnfoto]

Wow, I step away for a day and look at what I miss!

First off, thanks to CONN CHRIS for starting this thread and moving the relevant posts to it.

I'm not going to go back and quote individual messages, but I believe there are several points previously posted (how's that for alliteration?!) that should be addressed...

The original focus of this thread was to support and improve two very specific projects: the facepack and the Pegasus27 batters & pitchers packs. I believe that the thread and participating community have been wildly successful in that regard, and we have all reaped the benefits of more comprehensive, historically accurate photo packs. Kudos to all.

Due in large part to the active community involvement toward the aforementioned ends, our forum (and the main player thread in particular) has received a great deal of focus outside the original group of posters. With over 20,000 photos shared and nearly 1.2 million views as of this morning, it is the most-watched baseball photo thread in any forum I have found. Again, my congratulations to the community.

This now-widespread audience has provided the side benefit of many new users joining (and, as has been noted, sometimes leaving) the project group. During the Gambo & TWil1 thread's first month, 10 posters participated in sharing photos. Today the participation list has grown more than tenfold. 104 different users have posted to the thread in the past three years, representing a broad and diverse group of baseball aficionados. Thousands more have viewed the thread without contributing. As our base has widened, the collective group focus has likewise expanded.

A relative newcomer myself, having joined the group two years after the project began, I appreciate the "new blood" that enters the community with images and ideas to share. Everyone who shares here has a focus area (be it wide or narrow), and many are working on specific projects. I know of several users/lurkers who are working on projects parallel to the facepack and Pegasus27 packs, but there are even more who have tangential projects that, while not specifically related to the original target of the thread, overlap in small or large ways. While I am of the firm belief that the primary focus of the thread should be to maintain and improve the target photo packs, I believe that this goal can be achieved in many ways, including leveraging work done on other baseball photo projects.

For those projects with small overlapping areas, I have suggested that the users to start their own thread, or utilize one of the other forum threads better suited to their needs. For example, this project in which the focus was specifically full-length/action photos of the starting lineups for every Major League team in 1949. Because the project focus was not head shots (the standard for the facepack and Pegasus27 packs), and was comprised mainly of players for whom clear photos were already included in the photo packs, it really didn't fit in the main player thread, but has received over 10,000 views--significant interest. Other semi-divergent projects include a large-scale colorization project (17,000 views) and a 2012 virtual baseball card series (~1,500 views in just a few weeks). These threads are easily accessible from the Rosters, Photos and Quickstarts forum page.

Others projects that are of shorter duration or may be more closely aligned with the original projects, I've left in the main thread. It is my personal belief that no harm has been done in sharing, and if I find individual or even small groups of posts that do not interest me, I skip them. Not everyone agrees with me, and I appreciate those who have voiced opposing views. It helps me determine, from a community perspective, what belongs and what does not.

As has been said, we are fortunate that extremely talented users have chosen to share their work here, and regardless of the direct relevance to the original projects, many forum viewers enjoy and appreciate the contributions. Therefore, if I err, I try to err on the side of diversity and sharing. I believe that there is room for everyone who wishes to share and participate cooperatively in the group, realizing that in some cases that cooperation is at least partly self-serving. My apologies to those who have been upset or offended by this tactic.

For many projects that have been split from the main thread, I try to provide links in my signature line to make the jump easier (I realize that these links were much more useful when I was posting on every or nearly every page, a practice I hope to return to shortly). I would like to be able to list all of the side- and sub-threads in the forum, but I have literally run out of available characters in my signature line(s), so I have compressed and added a link to the full Rosters, Photos and Quickstarts thread list. Many other threads, including older versions of the Gambo & TWil1 project threads, can be easily found in the forum listing.



One more note in my long-winded post...some of the sniping that has occasionally gone on does not advance the group goals or lend to the sense of community we collectively have fostered over the years. I have had private communications with a few users asking them to keep off-topic remarks to a minimum. This is a forum for sharing photos, not personal griping, team-bashing or gloating. As a general reminder to everyone, let's all play nice, and enjoy the photos.

Again, thanks to everyone who has and continues to contribute to the group, and to those who have provided their opinions here.

[Ctrane]

Scott,
Excellently stated. I certainly agree with everything in your
post.

[UKBaseballfan]

Scott while I agree with most of your points I am not sure you have addressed my issues. As you know I have raised my concerns with you privately. I am now raising my concerns publicly because I am on the brink of leaving the site but I agree with Chris Conn that you should raise any concerns you may have, rather than just leave.

Like Pegasus I am concerned about the surfeit of coloization requests. The guideline I try to follow personally when making such a request is will the colorization result not just in personal benefit but in benefit to the community as a whole. The criteria I use in making that judgement is will it result in an upgrade to the facepack. Normally that request would be for a player where a colorized image is not currently available. However, I have noted that Kranztbucks in his outstanding work often produced multiple colorizations for players over the course of their career with different teams and sometimes I have recently started to follow that lead. In making requests I am also taking account of the demarcation between what is viewed as the pre-color and post-color era. Wrightwing took 1953 as the commencement of the color era and I have no reason to take issue with that.

Recently I have viewed an increasing trend for colorization requests for players from the color era, invariably there are already multiple natural color images of these players already available. I have to say I think there is much more of a benefit to all if a first colorized image for a player is created rather than a colorization produced when there are already numerous 'natural' color images of that player already available. Surely there is much more of a justification for a first color image of a player rather than a 11th or 20th or even 2nd.

We have also dicussed colorization duplications which seems inefficient when there are so many opportunities for colorization of new images.

In respect of the number of contributions or views. If you go back a few years I would estimate 85 per cent of the contributions resulted in an upgrade to either the pegasus or original gambo facepack. Now, I would suggest in excess of 85 don't. If you go back 2 years ago, the overwhelming impression I had was that we were all working together to achieve the same goal. The impression I have now is that a very small minority are working towards that same goal.

[cheech411]

1. have this thread go back the way it was 2 yrs ago 2. use pics for krautzbucks to be colorized for other items!!

[tnfoto]

Originally Posted by UKBaseballfan

Scott while I agree with most of your points I am not sure you have addressed my issues. As you know I have raised my concerns with you privately. I am now raising my concerns publicly because I am on the brink of leaving the site but I agree with Chris Conn that you should raise any concerns you may have, rather than just leave.

Thank you for voicing your concerns. I certainly understand your frustration, and I agree with you and CONN CHRIS that it’s better to air and discuss concerns, hopefully to the overall betterment of the community.

Originally Posted by UKBaseballfan

Like Pegasus I am concerned about the surfeit of coloization requests. The guideline I try to follow personally when making such a request is will the colorization result not just in personal benefit but in benefit to the community as a whole. The criteria I use in making that judgement is will it result in an upgrade to the facepack. Normally that request would be for a player where a colorized image is not currently available. However, I have noted that Kranztbucks in his outstanding work often produced multiple colorizations for players over the course of their career with different teams and sometimes I have recently started to follow that lead.

I can certainly understand Pegasus’s concern over colorization requests because he does not use colorized images at all in his packs. In my management of the facepack I find myself somewhere in-between. There are facepack users who love colorized images and others who strongly favor original B&W photos. Not being able to please everyone, I opt for a mix of both.

I appreciate it when users request colorizations that are unique, but I cannot control their wishes nor their requests. Facepack familiarity is not a prerequisite to group entry, and very few (if any) users have the history with nor study the facepack as carefully as you or I, therefore I do not expect that each request will benefit the facepack. Many of the resulting colorizations do, however, and for that I am grateful.

Originally Posted by UKBaseballfan

In making requests I am also taking account of the demarcation between what is viewed as the pre-color and post-color era. Wrightwing took 1953 as the commencement of the color era and I have no reason to take issue with that.

Recently I have viewed an increasing trend for colorization requests for players from the color era, invariably there are already multiple natural color images of these players already available. I have to say I think there is much more of a benefit to all if a first colorized image for a player is created rather than a colorization produced when there are already numerous 'natural' color images of that player already available. Surely there is much more of a justification for a first color image of a player rather than a 11th or 20th or even 2nd.

We have also dicussed colorization duplications which seems inefficient when there are so many opportunities for colorization of new images.

Cheech has frequently made the same argument, wishing for one natural color or colorized image of everyone before duplicating. A few months ago I attempted to gain consensus on a historic facepack colorization project much as you describe, but couldn't get it going. One overriding issue is that the colorization artists who post on this forum (most notably Ctrane, Bill II, Sal1199, Krantzbucks, simarc and Dto7) are working on their own projects, the results of which they graciously share. Ctrane, Bill II, Sal1199 and (so far, anyway) Dto7 seem to mostly stick to the era you define, but each has his own focus. Krantzbucks spans eras and simarc sticks mostly to the more modern era.

These artists are not employees, they owe nothing to us as a community, but are kind enough to share their talents and their work product with everyone. I believe that every one of their contributions benefits the larger community, if not the specific project, and I do not believe that it is up to any one of us to tell them what they should or should not be colorizing.

Another issue is that users see the great work posted by these artists and request their help. Like the colorizations themselves, I cannot tell people what they should/should not wish for. Where those wishes appear, though, can be controlled. I have a link in my signature line for colorization requests. It points to the Krantzbucks pics to colorize thread. In the future I will not hesitate to move posts from the main thread to this thread, and inform the requesting user to post their requests there. That is not to say that Krantzbucks (or anyone else, for that matter) will or even should grant each colorization request, but it will be a centralized location for requests. There is a similar thread for photo requests, also shown in my signature line, which many users have utilized over the past year.

I realize that this solution is in conflict with your previously-stated wishes to maintain all photo posts in a single repository, but I’m afraid that we can’t have it both ways. We either must be more tolerant of requests that may or may not benefit the community as a whole (and how does one make a determination of that before the fact?) or separate certain requests into their own areas. While I may not use all of the images posted, I enjoy seeing the results of the colorization artists' efforts. I also understand that large blocks of posts of any kind, actually, may be distracting. Sal1199 has posted over 1,000 colorized images, the majority in his dedicated thread. Krantzbucks has shared over 100 of his colorized images, again the majority in a separate thread. This seems to have been a functional solution which does not require the posters to study the facepack and make a value judgment before sharing their work.

Incidentally, if anyone is interested in practicing their colorization skills, the Krantzbucks pics to colorize thread might be a good place to look for source material. Krantzbucks has also graciously offered to give brief tutorial assistance, on occasion, to aspiring colorizers (-ors?--I've never typed it before).

Originally Posted by UKBaseballfan

In respect of the number of contributions or views. If you go back a few years I would estimate 85 per cent of the contributions resulted in an upgrade to either the pegasus or original gambo facepack. Now, I would suggest in excess of 85 don't. If you go back 2 years ago, the overwhelming impression I had was that we were all working together to achieve the same goal. The impression I have now is that a very small minority are working towards that same goal.

Agreed, years ago this thread (and its predecessors) was laser-focused. In the time I’ve been involved the missing player list has shrunk from thousands to just 600 (many of which will likely never be found). As the hunt for missing players slowed, individual player corrections and upgrades numbered in the thousands. During the baseball season new players are added each day, as I scan the previous day’s debuts. Work on the facepack will never be complete, but a great deal of the heavy lifting has been done. Now the majority of the effort goes toward verifying and documenting sources for included images (tedious and slow), correcting the remaining ID errors (even moreso) and upgrading, mostly from the pre-1940 era, which is quite subjective. I believe that a very small subset of forum users are interested in that type of facepack work, and indeed you and I are the only members of that early group of posters who remain active in this thread on a near-daily basis.

In addition to those stated above, another potential solution would be to create a new thread strictly for “Facepack Upgrades.” The Gambo and TWil1 thread has had many restarts over the years, and perhaps now may be a good time for another. As OKCochise intimated earlier in this thread, there would be far fewer posts, and certainly less participation. “Clutter,” however, would be kept to a minimum. In this scenario I view the main player thread as a continuing repository for player photos in general, which I’m sure will also benefit the facepack and Pegasus packs more than occasionally.

We are at an inflection point, and over the past year or so I’ve allowed the thread and group to expand, becoming more inclusive and, as a result, less focused. As a result it has become THE go-to place on the Web for baseball player photos. This wider popularity, however, even further dilutes the focus. If that is a failure in my responsibility as group moderator and manager of the facepack, I take full responsibility. My intent was and continues to be the promotion of baseball photo sharing, and has never been to upset and/or alienate members. Let’s take a look at what we can do as a group to maintain project momentum without pushing contributors away.

[tnfoto]

I sure know how to clear out a room, don't I?

As I mentioned at the close of my previous post, I am very interested in having a discussion about how best to strike a balance between the disparate wishes and needs of our photo sharing community as a whole and the focused work on improving the facepack / Pegasus packs. I have outlined some potential solutions or directions that the group can take and would like to hear other opinions on the matter, be they consenting, dissenting or completely new and different. CONN CHRIS started this dedicated thread to better facilitate this discussion, and I see it as our chance to collectively improve the organization and enjoyment of the community resources.

If you would prefer not to make your feedback publicly please send me a private message, otherwise I will take the community's silence to mean that everything is working perfectly which, from the positions stated in this thread, it clearly is not.

Thanks in advance to all who participate in the discussion!

[krantzbucks]

There seems to be a lot of acrimony here for such a small group of people who seem to want pretty much the same things. I feel responsible for some of the bad feelings as I no doubt encouraged the posting of colorization requests through fulfilling some of the requests made in this thread. I apologize for not starting a separate thread for these requests earlier.
I think all of us work on our own collection with individual criteria and came to understand that unaltered, original images were what was accepted for the Pegasus collections and for the most part the face pack.. I thought that the variety of different images and purposes added some flavor to this thread and included a lot of people who aren't using the two great projects for their original purposes. Having said that, I can understand where pegasus is coming from that the original purpose of this thread has been lost.
I don't like the idea of losing Pegasus or UKbaseballfan from this effort so I think some accomodations should be made. I also did not care for the way OKCochise was sort of shown the door due to a lot of harsh comments. I suppose the easiest resolution would be to restrict contributions to the Gambo and T_Will thread to posts more pointedly directed at the facepack and Pegasus sets. I am not sure that is the best course for the thread as any collation effort is always aided by more searchers and contributors and this narrowing could be a step back.

[keonleafs]

I really don't understand the fuss, and where we are going with all this. Guys, there are already 813 pages of brilliant pics on the Gambo and TWil1 Photopack thread !! Ain't that great ?? The best place on the net to find great BB pictures. Faces, complete poses, magnificent color pics, and vintage B&W, great colorization work and card creations by some super self-made artists, all well documented, you can find whatever you like in here...and the Best of all, you don't have to download them all, just pick what you like !!

I was not there at the beginning of this thread, but with 813 pages and counting, you must admit that it has evolved for the Best !! It would be a shame to shut it down just because it is now far from the original idea of creating it. There are guys that have contributed a lot on this thread and that have "made my day" every day !! Thanks to all of you for these precious gifts!!

[tnfoto]

EDIT: I copied this post from the Random Photo Colorizations and Cards thread. The three posts which follow on the next page were also moved from that thread. tnfoto

Originally Posted by cheech411

Attachment 270745 lousy phils cards!! best pic

I personally believe that colorization requests could be better utilized on players who do not already have a color option. This color Stewart/Phillies image, from his 1986 Topps card, seems like it would be sufficient.