Rex Layne Ratings?

[Cap]

Does anyone have their category by category ratings for Rex Layne? I'm using 2.0 right now so I can't just use anyone's 2.5 version file. Just want to compare and see why my Layne is performing so poorly.

Thanks.

Cap

[dragon29]

Hi Cap,

I am currently using 2.5.27

Is this what you are looking for? I will start right from the top -

Rex Layne rating from 2.5.27

slugger
occasionally

inside - 3
outside - 1
cover up - 1
go 4 ko - 3
clinch - 70

draw - 3
cond - 2
intell - 7
prof - 10

c vs b - 8
c vs s - 9
chin vs kd - 3
chin vs ko - 2
recovery - 2
res to cuts - 2
ab punish - 2
killer inst - 8
aggressive - 9
end - 9
def - 4
fast start - 1
fight on ropes - 2

jabs 14/1
hooks 20/6
crosses 20/6
combos 14/3
uppers 14/4

power - 6
punching - 38
counter - 36
missed - 62

overall - 6


hope this helps!

[Cap]

Thanks. Much appreciated. These were almost exactly the same numbers I had and Layne was losing to mediocre pugs I was sure he'd beat. I've upped his defence a bit and he managed a draw against one of the journeymen he lost to before. Maybe I'm overestimating Layne's ability.

[professordp]

Originally Posted by Cap

Thanks. Much appreciated. These were almost exactly the same numbers I had and Layne was losing to mediocre pugs I was sure he'd beat. I've upped his defence a bit and he managed a draw against one of the journeymen he lost to before. Maybe I'm overestimating Layne's ability.

You might want to take a look at the Day Council ratings...Dean did some revisions of 1950s/60s heavyweights a few years back.

[Cap]

Layne was a tough bird with a nice stiff jab, no left hook to speak of and a hard right. He made his name off wins over Turkey Thompson, Jersey Joe Walcott, Cesar Brion and Bob Satterfield. All his wins exposed his lack of big power from the port side, but it was Marciano who was the first to really exploit it.

Cap

[IceTea]

The below rating is the database rating. I changed him probably four years ago from a 2 or 3 to the current 6. I'm sure a ran a simulation back then, but ran another today. The average result of ten sims: 50(33)-19(8)-1 Actual: 50(34)-17(6)-3

Originally Posted by dragon29

Hi Cap,

I am currently using 2.5.27

Is this what you are looking for? I will start right from the top -

Rex Layne rating from 2.5.27

slugger
occasionally

inside - 3
outside - 1
cover up - 1
go 4 ko - 3
clinch - 70

draw - 3
cond - 2
intell - 7
prof - 10

c vs b - 8
c vs s - 9
chin vs kd - 3
chin vs ko - 2
recovery - 2
res to cuts - 2
ab punish - 2
killer inst - 8
aggressive - 9
end - 9
def - 4
fast start - 1
fight on ropes - 2

jabs 14/1
hooks 20/6
crosses 20/6
combos 14/3
uppers 14/4

power - 6
punching - 38
counter - 36
missed - 62

overall - 6


hope this helps!

[IceTea]

Originally Posted by IceTea

The below rating is the database rating. I changed him probably four years ago from a 2 or 3 to the current 6. I'm sure a ran a simulation back then, but ran another today. The average result of ten sims: 50(33)-19(8)-1 Actual: 50(34)-17(6)-3

I made a few adjustments: 50.3(35)-17.3(7)-2.3
Actual: 50(33)-17(6)-3

[Cap]

Hi, Ice. You say you ran ten sims. Who were they against? Did you use his actual opponents? Wouldn't you need to sim each of them against their real opponents, and so on down the line? Just curious about the process.

Cap

[IceTea]

Actual opponents if available or a male fighter with an equal rating and style if the fighter being simulated has a split CF rating. With Layne, and most fighters, only a small fraction of the opponents have ratings in the game. Those not included are assigned a rating and an equivalent fighter is located withing that rating and weight class. Also, career stages are considered. Some fighters feast on opponents from lower weight classes who are at post-prime or end.

The posted simulation is a random ten fight career simulation result. The rating was tinkered with several times before the posted result was achieved. His original rating in the game was a two or a three. I'd estimate that four years ago that I adjusted his rating to the current 6 by the process listed above. The same process has been used to rate new files and adjust many existing files.

The minor change is a result of my ever changing evaluation of opponents. Most likely some of the old 0,1, and 2 rated fighters moved up and down the scale to an extent.

This result: ten sims: 50(33)-19(8)-1 was achieved using the posted rating. The followup was after some tinkering.

I hope this helps.

[Cap]

Just for fun I'll try running sims for Layne with every real opponent I have available. Might not get to it until the weekend.

Cap

[IceTea]

Have fun.

[Cap]

Rex Layne

Country USA
Global Id 10351
Hometown Lewiston, Utah, USA
Division Heavyweight
Born 1928-06-07
Died 2000-06-07
Height 185cm


Career Record ©BoxRec Boxing Records

Date Opponent Location Result
1949-05-23 Jim Watkins Salt Lake City, US W TKO 1
1949-05-31 Jim Watkins Salt Lake City, US W KO 6
1949-06-10 Hank Thurman Hollywood, US W PTS 4
1949-06-21 George Abinet Salt Lake City, US W KO 1
1949-07-12 Joe Williams Salt Lake City, US W KO 1
1949-07-21 Lee Carter Logan, US W TKO 5
1949-08-03 Buddy Thomas Salt Lake City, US W KO 2
1949-08-11 Lee Carter Salina, US W KO 2
1949-08-18 Gene Pearce Midvale, US W TKO 3
1949-08-22 Young Harry Wills Salt Lake City, US W KO 6
1949-09-02 Willie McCoy Hollywood, US W TKO 6
1949-10-04 Ponce de Leon Salt Lake City, US W KO 3
1949-11-14 Lloyd Gibson Salt Lake City, US W KO 3
1949-11-21 Sonny Orrock Salt Lake City, US W TKO 3
1949-12-12 Joe Sandell Salt Lake City, US W KO 3
1950-02-09 Bob Golden Cheyenne, US W PTS 8
1950-02-20 Dave Whitlock Salt Lake City, US W UD 10
1950-03-16 Dave Whitlock San Francisco, US L PTS 10
1950-04-24 Grant Butcher Salt Lake City, US W UD 10
1950-05-22 Dave Whitlock Salt Lake City, US W PTS 10
1950-05-29 Willis Parker Logan, US W KO 4
1950-06-12 Bob Dunlap San Francisco, US W KO 9
1950-06-26 Jack Huber Salt Lake City, US W KO 2
1950-07-11 Bob Blevins Salt Lake City, US W RTD 3
1950-07-18 Joe Kahut Portland, US W UD 12
1950-08-15 Turkey Thompson Salt Lake City, US W UD 10
1950-10-04 Dale Hall Chicago, US D PTS 10

Historical Record: 24(18)-1-1

I re-ran his first 26 fights as near as I could, substituting about 6 or 7 guys for unavailable opponents. (It took a lot longer than I thought it would.)

Game results: 26(19)-0-0. He ko'd Whitlock in their third fight and stopped Dale Hall on cuts. Layne stopped both Joe Kahut and Turkey Thompson who I had set at Post-Prime. Either they weren't in real life, or Layne wasn't as good as I have him......?

Ill have to run Joe Kahut and Thompson again.

Cap

[IceTea]

I don't look for accuracy against particular opponents - just the end result. I'd run it ten times and see what the average is. That's pretty close though - the KOs are close.

Originally Posted by Cap

Rex Layne

Country USA
Global Id 10351
Hometown Lewiston, Utah, USA
Division Heavyweight
Born 1928-06-07
Died 2000-06-07
Height 185cm


Career Record ©BoxRec Boxing Records

Date Opponent Location Result
1949-05-23 Jim Watkins Salt Lake City, US W TKO 1
1949-05-31 Jim Watkins Salt Lake City, US W KO 6
1949-06-10 Hank Thurman Hollywood, US W PTS 4
1949-06-21 George Abinet Salt Lake City, US W KO 1
1949-07-12 Joe Williams Salt Lake City, US W KO 1
1949-07-21 Lee Carter Logan, US W TKO 5
1949-08-03 Buddy Thomas Salt Lake City, US W KO 2
1949-08-11 Lee Carter Salina, US W KO 2
1949-08-18 Gene Pearce Midvale, US W TKO 3
1949-08-22 Young Harry Wills Salt Lake City, US W KO 6
1949-09-02 Willie McCoy Hollywood, US W TKO 6
1949-10-04 Ponce de Leon Salt Lake City, US W KO 3
1949-11-14 Lloyd Gibson Salt Lake City, US W KO 3
1949-11-21 Sonny Orrock Salt Lake City, US W TKO 3
1949-12-12 Joe Sandell Salt Lake City, US W KO 3
1950-02-09 Bob Golden Cheyenne, US W PTS 8
1950-02-20 Dave Whitlock Salt Lake City, US W UD 10
1950-03-16 Dave Whitlock San Francisco, US L PTS 10
1950-04-24 Grant Butcher Salt Lake City, US W UD 10
1950-05-22 Dave Whitlock Salt Lake City, US W PTS 10
1950-05-29 Willis Parker Logan, US W KO 4
1950-06-12 Bob Dunlap San Francisco, US W KO 9
1950-06-26 Jack Huber Salt Lake City, US W KO 2
1950-07-11 Bob Blevins Salt Lake City, US W RTD 3
1950-07-18 Joe Kahut Portland, US W UD 12
1950-08-15 Turkey Thompson Salt Lake City, US W UD 10
1950-10-04 Dale Hall Chicago, US D PTS 10

Historical Record: 24(18)-1-1

I re-ran his first 26 fights as near as I could, substituting about 6 or 7 guys for unavailable opponents. (It took a lot longer than I thought it would.)

Game results: 26(19)-0-0. He ko'd Whitlock in their third fight and stopped Dale Hall on cuts. Layne stopped both Joe Kahut and Turkey Thompson who I had set at Post-Prime. Either they weren't in real life, or Layne wasn't as good as I have him......?

Ill have to run Joe Kahut and Thompson again.

Cap

[Cap]

Got me thinking about Joe Kahut, so I watched a blurry video of one of his fights on Youtube. Tough little bugger. He went the distance with a prime Layne when he was most likely past his best. He got stopped a few times in his own prime, but mostly on cuts.

Anyone have the numbers on Kahut?

Cap