Crashin like crazy

Raz Algool · 10-26-2011, 09:31 PM

Wow- I love the changes but since the new version came out, my game crashes an insane amount. If I don't save after every game or trade, I lose something important. Anyone else seeing this, and what to do other than become a compulsive "saver"? I got more saves than Mariano Rivera!

sfnate · 10-27-2011, 03:01 PM

I haven't had many crashes, if any, since I installed the update.

Make sure you're not running a bunch of apps in the background--I do find that some apps become unstable if the memory gets fragmented and several apps are running at the same time.

Re-boot and run iOOTP on its own, just to check--it may help reduce or eliminate crashes.

bullschuck · 10-27-2011, 05:01 PM

I have the same issue. Even if there's nothing else opened. I still get random crashes. And the screen seems to invert at random times even if i have the screen lock on. Weird.

sfnate · 10-27-2011, 05:06 PM

iPad or iPad 2?

iOS 4 or iOS 5?

I'm on an original iPad running iOS 5, seems stable enough with no crashing or random orientation flipping.

That's no comfort for you, of course.

Sebastian Palkowski · 10-27-2011, 05:50 PM

The game should run pretty stable on an iPad 1 (I have one myself) if you follow just some guidelines: as posted, make sure to run only iOOTP and reboot from time to time to free memory (as iOOTP is pretty heavy on memory usage and the iPad 1 has just 256MB).

bullschuck · 10-28-2011, 11:39 AM

Ok, after playing around with it, iPad 1 with iOS 5, it still crashes with everything else off. And rebooting it is a bit of a wonky workaround but it definitely does help.
I did identify the inversion issue. I play this with the iPad flat on a desk often and it may just be a sensitivity issue. Just tapping the corner of the screen will cause the app to flip over. I also noticed that the screen lock just doesn't seem to work on this game. I boot up the game and flip the iPad and the game flips with it. This is good, a big improvement over the previous non-HD version. But when I set the screen lock (and I am setting the screen lock, not the mute), the screen lock icon will flash up on the screen, but when i flip over the iPad, the iOOTP screen will flip over as well. Can someone else test this? I don't see this behavior with other landscape apps. Just this one.

Thanks all.

magicspeedo · 10-28-2011, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sebastian Palkowski

The game should run pretty stable on an iPad 1 (I have one myself) if you follow just some guidelines: as posted, make sure to run only iOOTP and reboot from time to time to free memory (as iOOTP is pretty heavy on memory usage and the iPad 1 has just 256MB).

Please look into cleaning it up whenever it resets for a new season. The game slows down so much that it becomes nearly unplayable even without crashing so I reboot every January now. I know the game is heavy on memory usage, but that shouldn't cause it to slow down. I say this because at any point I can reboot the app and everything runs up to speed without losing any data from the game. This means that as the game runs, it is not releasing some resources that it no longer needs, in other words, a memory leak.

I love the game, but as a software engineer, I know that a work around is not a final solution to a memory leak. I still love playing it, just that fixing the leak would improve a lot of people's gaming experience. It would also fix the crashing issue due to memory problems for most people (theres always going to be that one idiot...usually me....whos got 47 other apps running at the same time as well as iOOTP). Just looking at the reviews in the app store, almost everyone who gives it a negative review does so because it crashes on them.

At the very least you could clear all the inactive/active memory for us. Most of the time I use another program to do this whenever iOOTP starts to slow down. What is interesting is that when I return to iOOTP, for about a second it shows the last screen that I was on before reinitializing the entire app since I cleared the memory. To me it says that whatever code you got disposing resources is extremely slow. I know there is a lot to do, but I've tried this exact same thing with Football Manager (I assume we agree it is comparable in size) and I do not experience the same problems...which means it is solveable.

Also, I noticed that you guys are "Building the list" of players EVERY time I look at all the players in the league. Is it really necessary? Honestly it seems to start slowing down once building the list of players is executed a few times. To me the thing that slows it down is when it generates the new players. I suggest rethinking the storage because it shouldn't take too long to dump a list of players to the screen. However I do understand that the Star Ratings are calculated values (as they should be), and if that is causing the "Build the List" thing then I understand.

I understand that from a business stand point it's not going to see much of a return on the time it will take to find/fix it. But the value gained from fixing the issue would be in an increase in "Fan Loyalty" which in turn will increase your "Market Size". We all know what happens when those increase...bigger budget!

rayw69 · 10-29-2011, 12:47 AM

I'm on an iPad 1 and iOS5. Close everything in the background.

I'd say that the game crashes constantly. I've only had the game for a few days. But it is difficult to get through 40 games without a crash. I'd say that my first season, it crashed 10+ times. I feel like I've seen every possible iteration of the Dodgers 2011 season.

rayw69 · 10-29-2011, 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bullschuck

Ok, after playing around with it, iPad 1 with iOS 5, it still crashes with everything else off. And rebooting it is a bit of a wonky workaround but it definitely does help.
I did identify the inversion issue. I play this with the iPad flat on a desk often and it may just be a sensitivity issue. Just tapping the corner of the screen will cause the app to flip over. I also noticed that the screen lock just doesn't seem to work on this game. I boot up the game and flip the iPad and the game flips with it. This is good, a big improvement over the previous non-HD version. But when I set the screen lock (and I am setting the screen lock, not the mute), the screen lock icon will flash up on the screen, but when i flip over the iPad, the iOOTP screen will flip over as well. Can someone else test this? I don't see this behavior with other landscape apps. Just this one.

Thanks all.

I experience the exact same thing. This is the only application on my iPad that does not respect the screen lock.

I23ryno · 10-29-2011, 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rayw69

I experience the exact same thing. This is the only application on my iPad that does not respect the screen lock.

Yes, I just experience the same issue with screen lock. It is locked with rotation from landscape to vertical but not landscape to landscape. It rotates at 180 even when lock is on.

Supernovae · 10-30-2011, 09:16 AM

Just throwing an idea out there - could the increased crashing be a result of the new iOS5 or is the suggestion baseless?

My device is an iTouch 4th generation running iOS 4.3.5 (8L1) and I haven't see a huge uptick in saves. Then again, I've been busy and haven't had a lot of time to play iOOTP. I also have the latest 1.2.1 iOOTP version.

Supernovae

rasnell · 11-01-2011, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bullschuck

Ok, after playing around with it, iPad 1 with iOS 5, it still crashes with everything else off. And rebooting it is a bit of a wonky workaround but it definitely does help.
I did identify the inversion issue. I play this with the iPad flat on a desk often and it may just be a sensitivity issue. Just tapping the corner of the screen will cause the app to flip over. I also noticed that the screen lock just doesn't seem to work on this game. I boot up the game and flip the iPad and the game flips with it. This is good, a big improvement over the previous non-HD version. But when I set the screen lock (and I am setting the screen lock, not the mute), the screen lock icon will flash up on the screen, but when i flip over the iPad, the iOOTP screen will flip over as well. Can someone else test this? I don't see this behavior with other landscape apps. Just this one.

Thanks all.

I've got same problem with iPad 1 iOS 5. Crashed after playing a current season and cannot recover. Crashes at any time trying to reopen game. No crashes at any time before iOS 5 and v 1.21.

Sebastian Palkowski · 11-01-2011, 02:54 PM

Version 1.2.1 did not change anything that could explain crashes so my guess is that iOS5 makes trouble. I will investigate it (I don't have iOS5 installed on any device as development was done before they released it) and hopefully find a solution.

Sebastian Palkowski · 11-01-2011, 03:11 PM

For the screen lock: I will report it to our Framework guy (Paul) as he has to fix it.

bullschuck · 11-10-2011, 03:21 PM

I pulled up an old file on my game where I had played 30 seasons of the Astros. It was crash-tastic. I tried closing all the other apps and rebooting the iPad. It was still crashing after about 10 minutes of gameplay. I started a new game, no problems. I know that the .dat files get bigger after you sim more years. Perhaps there's a limit on how big they can get before they start to display this behavior. I would also submit that testing with a new league will not expose this app like testing with a more mature league.

iPad 1 on iOS 5.

sfnate · 11-10-2011, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bullschuck

Perhaps there's a limit on how big they can get before they start to display this behavior.

I'd bet decent money that you've found a smoking gun here, and it has something to do with the memory limits/memory management on the iPad.

For anyone who likes to sim many seasons over a relatively short period of time, they're going to start experiencing these crashes as they push the game beyond an easily managed memory footprint. At 30 seasons, maybe the game simply won't fit in the memory space any longer.

Me, I sim game to game, play them out individually, and I haven't got beyond the first couple of seasons, and I've not experienced any crashes.

rasnell · 11-10-2011, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bullschuck

I pulled up an old file on my game where I had played 30 seasons of the Astros. It was crash-tastic. I tried closing all the other apps and rebooting the iPad. It was still crashing after about 10 minutes of gameplay. I started a new game, no problems. I know that the .dat files get bigger after you sim more years. Perhaps there's a limit on how big they can get before they start to display this behavior. I would also submit that testing with a new league will not expose this app like testing with a more mature league.

iPad 1 on iOS 5.

did you reboot to the point of seeing the apple icon, by pushing home key and power key at same time and then confirm power off?

i had same problem with mature league and it fixed my crash, which was so bad i couldnt even reopen the game.

bullschuck · 11-11-2011, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rasnell

did you reboot to the point of seeing the apple icon, by pushing home key and power key at same time and then confirm power off?

i had same problem with mature league and it fixed my crash, which was so bad i couldnt even reopen the game.

Yup, I did try that. It was saved in the offseason, just before arbitration, and I couldn't make more than 3 or 4 contract offers and it would crash.

revcarte · 11-11-2011, 09:18 PM

for what it is worth I use the original iPad with IOS5 and have had no problems whatsoever with crashing. And I play the game a lot. So it is not on ALL iPads.

sfnate · 11-12-2011, 04:28 PM

Just experienced my first hard crash last night, the game suddenly quit and when I re-started, I found that I had lost my last 3 games.

I'm on a first generation iPad running iOS 5.

No background apps were running, though I admit I hadn't re-booted for awhile, so maybe there was some memory fragmentation...

Anyway, my save seems OK, except I'm now 3 games behind were I was. Which isn't a bad thing really, because I'd been on a 3 game losing streak.

On the other hand, it makes me a bit nervous now, and I've begun routinely saving after every played game.

10-26-2011, 09:31 PM	#1
Raz Algool Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 37	Crashin like crazy Wow- I love the changes but since the new version came out, my game crashes an insane amount. If I don't save after every game or trade, I lose something important. Anyone else seeing this, and what to do other than become a compulsive "saver"? I got more saves than Mariano Rivera!

10-27-2011, 05:50 PM	#5
Sebastian Palkowski Developer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hamburg, Germany Posts: 5,435	The game should run pretty stable on an iPad 1 (I have one myself) if you follow just some guidelines: as posted, make sure to run only iOOTP and reboot from time to time to free memory (as iOOTP is pretty heavy on memory usage and the iPad 1 has just 256MB). __________________ Buy Franchise Hockey Manager

11-01-2011, 02:54 PM	#13
Sebastian Palkowski Developer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hamburg, Germany Posts: 5,435	Version 1.2.1 did not change anything that could explain crashes so my guess is that iOS5 makes trouble. I will investigate it (I don't have iOS5 installed on any device as development was done before they released it) and hopefully find a solution. __________________ Buy Franchise Hockey Manager

11-01-2011, 03:11 PM	#14
Sebastian Palkowski Developer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hamburg, Germany Posts: 5,435	For the screen lock: I will report it to our Framework guy (Paul) as he has to fix it. __________________ Buy Franchise Hockey Manager

11-11-2011, 09:18 PM	#19
revcarte Major Leagues Join Date: May 2011 Location: Mt. Dora, FL Posts: 359	no ipad probs for what it is worth I use the original iPad with IOS5 and have had no problems whatsoever with crashing. And I play the game a lot. So it is not on ALL iPads.

10-27-2011, 03:01 PM	#2
sfnate Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Corner of 16th and Bryant Streets Posts: 296	I haven't had many crashes, if any, since I installed the update. Make sure you're not running a bunch of apps in the background--I do find that some apps become unstable if the memory gets fragmented and several apps are running at the same time. Re-boot and run iOOTP on its own, just to check--it may help reduce or eliminate crashes.

10-27-2011, 05:01 PM	#3
bullschuck Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 25	I have the same issue. Even if there's nothing else opened. I still get random crashes. And the screen seems to invert at random times even if i have the screen lock on. Weird.

10-27-2011, 05:06 PM	#4
sfnate Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Corner of 16th and Bryant Streets Posts: 296	iPad or iPad 2? iOS 4 or iOS 5? I'm on an original iPad running iOS 5, seems stable enough with no crashing or random orientation flipping. That's no comfort for you, of course.

10-28-2011, 11:39 AM	#6
bullschuck Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 25	Ok, after playing around with it, iPad 1 with iOS 5, it still crashes with everything else off. And rebooting it is a bit of a wonky workaround but it definitely does help. I did identify the inversion issue. I play this with the iPad flat on a desk often and it may just be a sensitivity issue. Just tapping the corner of the screen will cause the app to flip over. I also noticed that the screen lock just doesn't seem to work on this game. I boot up the game and flip the iPad and the game flips with it. This is good, a big improvement over the previous non-HD version. But when I set the screen lock (and I am setting the screen lock, not the mute), the screen lock icon will flash up on the screen, but when i flip over the iPad, the iOOTP screen will flip over as well. Can someone else test this? I don't see this behavior with other landscape apps. Just this one. Thanks all.

10-29-2011, 12:47 AM	#8
rayw69 Bat Boy Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 2	I'm on an iPad 1 and iOS5. Close everything in the background. I'd say that the game crashes constantly. I've only had the game for a few days. But it is difficult to get through 40 games without a crash. I'd say that my first season, it crashed 10+ times. I feel like I've seen every possible iteration of the Dodgers 2011 season.

10-30-2011, 09:16 AM	#11
Supernovae Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 160	Just throwing an idea out there - could the increased crashing be a result of the new iOS5 or is the suggestion baseless? My device is an iTouch 4th generation running iOS 4.3.5 (8L1) and I haven't see a huge uptick in saves. Then again, I've been busy and haven't had a lot of time to play iOOTP. I also have the latest 1.2.1 iOOTP version. Supernovae

11-10-2011, 03:21 PM	#15
bullschuck Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 25	I pulled up an old file on my game where I had played 30 seasons of the Astros. It was crash-tastic. I tried closing all the other apps and rebooting the iPad. It was still crashing after about 10 minutes of gameplay. I started a new game, no problems. I know that the .dat files get bigger after you sim more years. Perhaps there's a limit on how big they can get before they start to display this behavior. I would also submit that testing with a new league will not expose this app like testing with a more mature league. iPad 1 on iOS 5.

11-12-2011, 04:28 PM	#20
sfnate Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Corner of 16th and Bryant Streets Posts: 296	Just experienced my first hard crash last night, the game suddenly quit and when I re-started, I found that I had lost my last 3 games. I'm on a first generation iPad running iOS 5. No background apps were running, though I admit I hadn't re-booted for awhile, so maybe there was some memory fragmentation... Anyway, my save seems OK, except I'm now 3 games behind were I was. Which isn't a bad thing really, because I'd been on a 3 game losing streak. On the other hand, it makes me a bit nervous now, and I've begun routinely saving after every played game.