Me vs Frankie Frisch, and I'm losing

Clarke · 10-06-2011, 12:36 AM

I hope I am overlooking a setting because this has been frustrating.

I watch typically my team play out one game a week with the field manager running everything. I sim the other games and then move on to the next week and work through the season in that manner. I set the main lineups but use the managers settings for depth charts. It just doesn't seem to be working.

The manager keeps putting out lineups that are radically different from the ones that I have set and the substitutions not only involve substitutions but he moves guys all up and down the lineup. Upon checking the depth chart I often find a player inserted at a position as a substitute for that game who isn't listed at that position at all on the depth chart. These changes do not seem to be related to fatigue.

I have tried changing the lineups before the game starts but as soon as I hit the play button and we go to the ball park I find he has changed everything back again. He doesn't seem to fool around with the pitchers. The lineups however are constantly changed to favor poor defense and catchers batting second and other oddities. Now that the roster has some September call-ups the situation has gotten very bad.

I have only had the game a few days. My last version was eight or nine, I like many of the new features and refinements. Historical replays and the reserve clause are particularly nice for the way I like to play, but my field manager is out of control. What, if anything have I overlooked?

Chicagofan76 · 10-06-2011, 12:50 AM

hmmm I know OOTP 11 will put C's at leadoff when i sim games, not sure on what might be causing him to put say the guy you have as the backup 2B at 3B. What are your GM settings? are there any settings for 7 day lineups? Are you using historical lineups option? i dont have 12, So i might be troubleshooting half blind.
Does AI have lineup control under GM options?

Clarke · 10-06-2011, 01:06 AM

I do not have the league set up with historical lineups.

I usually have the GM in charge of lineups but have tried it both ways.

I don't recall seeing a setting for seven day lineups. If 12 has that could somebody tell me where I can find it. That could be the problem.

Thanks for the quick offer of help.

Chicagofan76 · 10-06-2011, 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clarke

I do not have the league set up with historical lineups.

I usually have the GM in charge of lineups but have tried it both ways.

I don't recall seeing a setting for seven day lineups. If 12 has that could somebody tell me where I can find it. That could be the problem.

Thanks for the quick offer of help.

if you havent changed 7 day lineups it should still be blank. is it every game that Frisch is changing the lineups? or every few games? perhaps the guys are tired?

Clarke · 10-06-2011, 02:39 AM

Thanks for the pic. I hadn't noticed that option and it may be a way to get the guys I want to play to start the game. I'll mess around with it and see how it works.

As you stated, all the lineup slots were blank because I had not ever opened the menu before tonight

What I still don't understand is why, if before the game starts I change the lineups; the computer manager switches them right back when I hit start game. I check off all five options to let Frisch handle the game. Should I reserve the personnel/substitution option for myself until the game starts so my chosen lineup starts the game?

As I stated earlier, fatigue doesn't seem to be the reason. Also, in answer to your question about whether it is an every game occurrence. It does not seem to happen all the time. Some of his changes seem quite reasonable and in line with the depth charts I haven't monitored the quick sim games though.

If I could override the field manager before a game I would be okay with this.

Thanks again for your help. The documentation for the game is disappointing.

OutS|der · 10-06-2011, 07:57 AM

check out the documtation for OOTP 11 as it details alot of what is still in 12
OOTP Baseball Manual - OOTP 11

One problem may be caused from the AI setting the depth chart is that it may be basing your lineups off the depth chart so it's changing whatever changes your making to reflect the depth chart.

I'd try using the 7 day lineups as i've found it's forced the AI to stick to how i've set up my team alot more.
This page will explain it alot more on how 7 day lineups work
OOTP Baseball Manual - 7-Day Lineups

Clarke · 10-06-2011, 10:10 AM

Thanks OutS|der. I appreciate the links.

OutS|der · 10-06-2011, 10:46 AM

Your welcome, i find the manual for 11 to be a great help explaining some of the finer details of the game as there is allot to take in with this game.

One other thing to remember with the AI setting lineups is that it will be based off AI evaluation criteria so changing that will change how the AI sets up your lineups.
Also from the manual
Notes on these actions:

Your staff members will fill out the depth chart based on their own personal strategy preferences. Their opinions might not match your own.
Your staff will fill out the lineup based on your depth chart settings. If your depth charts are not complete, your staff members will use their personal strategy preferences to complete the task. Also, when you ask your managers to set up your organization, they might place injured players in the lineup. The reason for this is that the manager gives you the best lineup chosen from among all the players on your roster, regardless of their injury status. Then, when a game is auto-simmed, the game makes the decision about how to substitute for injured players. This prevents you from having to remember to redo your lineups every time a player returns from an injury. With the current model, the game will put the injured player back in the lineup as soon as he becomes available again. Of course, if you don't want to rely on these decisions, you can manually adjust your lineup and depth charts to account for injuries.
If a player goes out of the lineup due to injury, and a game is auto-played, the AI might rearrange your lineup as it sees fit. For example, if your #4 hitter goes down and gets replaced with a weaker backup hitter, the AI might decide to bat the replacement in the #8 spot and move the other players up.

so some things to keep in mind when letting the AI set your lineups. I tend to get them to set it then change it as i see fit that way i can get past Ichiro batting 3rd for example.

Chicagofan76 · 10-06-2011, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OutS|der

Your welcome, i find the manual for 11 to be a great help explaining some of the finer details of the game as there is allot to take in with this game.

One other thing to remember with the AI setting lineups is that it will be based off AI evaluation criteria so changing that will change how the AI sets up your lineups.
Also from the manual
Notes on these actions:

Your staff members will fill out the depth chart based on their own personal strategy preferences. Their opinions might not match your own.
Your staff will fill out the lineup based on your depth chart settings. If your depth charts are not complete, your staff members will use their personal strategy preferences to complete the task. Also, when you ask your managers to set up your organization, they might place injured players in the lineup. The reason for this is that the manager gives you the best lineup chosen from among all the players on your roster, regardless of their injury status. Then, when a game is auto-simmed, the game makes the decision about how to substitute for injured players. This prevents you from having to remember to redo your lineups every time a player returns from an injury. With the current model, the game will put the injured player back in the lineup as soon as he becomes available again. Of course, if you don't want to rely on these decisions, you can manually adjust your lineup and depth charts to account for injuries.
If a player goes out of the lineup due to injury, and a game is auto-played, the AI might rearrange your lineup as it sees fit. For example, if your #4 hitter goes down and gets replaced with a weaker backup hitter, the AI might decide to bat the replacement in the #8 spot and move the other players up.

so some things to keep in mind when letting the AI set your lineups. I tend to get them to set it then change it as i see fit that way i can get past Ichiro batting 3rd for example.

Thanx for that, that gave me info i had not known. I only sim my historical league and wont sit players if they are injured for less then 7 games. Nice to know the game actually takes them out.

Clarke · 10-06-2011, 12:26 PM

Yes, very good information as it pertains to my original concerns. I can use this knowledge to reign in and work with Mr. Frisch from here on. At least I think I can.

Thanks a lot guys.

10-06-2011, 12:36 AM	#1
Clarke Bat Boy Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 12	Me vs Frankie Frisch, and I'm losing I hope I am overlooking a setting because this has been frustrating. I watch typically my team play out one game a week with the field manager running everything. I sim the other games and then move on to the next week and work through the season in that manner. I set the main lineups but use the managers settings for depth charts. It just doesn't seem to be working. The manager keeps putting out lineups that are radically different from the ones that I have set and the substitutions not only involve substitutions but he moves guys all up and down the lineup. Upon checking the depth chart I often find a player inserted at a position as a substitute for that game who isn't listed at that position at all on the depth chart. These changes do not seem to be related to fatigue. I have tried changing the lineups before the game starts but as soon as I hit the play button and we go to the ball park I find he has changed everything back again. He doesn't seem to fool around with the pitchers. The lineups however are constantly changed to favor poor defense and catchers batting second and other oddities. Now that the roster has some September call-ups the situation has gotten very bad. I have only had the game a few days. My last version was eight or nine, I like many of the new features and refinements. Historical replays and the reserve clause are particularly nice for the way I like to play, but my field manager is out of control. What, if anything have I overlooked?

10-06-2011, 12:50 AM	#2
Chicagofan76 Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Diamond, IL Posts: 6,339 Infractions: 2/2 (3)	hmmm I know OOTP 11 will put C's at leadoff when i sim games, not sure on what might be causing him to put say the guy you have as the backup 2B at 3B. What are your GM settings? are there any settings for 7 day lineups? Are you using historical lineups option? i dont have 12, So i might be troubleshooting half blind. Does AI have lineup control under GM options?

10-06-2011, 01:06 AM	#3
Clarke Bat Boy Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 12	I do not have the league set up with historical lineups. I usually have the GM in charge of lineups but have tried it both ways. I don't recall seeing a setting for seven day lineups. If 12 has that could somebody tell me where I can find it. That could be the problem. Thanks for the quick offer of help.

10-06-2011, 02:39 AM	#5
Clarke Bat Boy Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 12	Thanks for the pic. I hadn't noticed that option and it may be a way to get the guys I want to play to start the game. I'll mess around with it and see how it works. As you stated, all the lineup slots were blank because I had not ever opened the menu before tonight What I still don't understand is why, if before the game starts I change the lineups; the computer manager switches them right back when I hit start game. I check off all five options to let Frisch handle the game. Should I reserve the personnel/substitution option for myself until the game starts so my chosen lineup starts the game? As I stated earlier, fatigue doesn't seem to be the reason. Also, in answer to your question about whether it is an every game occurrence. It does not seem to happen all the time. Some of his changes seem quite reasonable and in line with the depth charts I haven't monitored the quick sim games though. If I could override the field manager before a game I would be okay with this. Thanks again for your help. The documentation for the game is disappointing.

10-06-2011, 07:57 AM	#6
OutS\|der Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: In A Van Down By The River Posts: 2,713 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	check out the documtation for OOTP 11 as it details alot of what is still in 12 OOTP Baseball Manual - OOTP 11 One problem may be caused from the AI setting the depth chart is that it may be basing your lineups off the depth chart so it's changing whatever changes your making to reflect the depth chart. I'd try using the 7 day lineups as i've found it's forced the AI to stick to how i've set up my team alot more. This page will explain it alot more on how 7 day lineups work OOTP Baseball Manual - 7-Day Lineups

10-06-2011, 10:10 AM	#7
Clarke Bat Boy Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 12	Thanks OutS\|der. I appreciate the links.

10-06-2011, 10:46 AM	#8
OutS\|der Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: In A Van Down By The River Posts: 2,713 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Your welcome, i find the manual for 11 to be a great help explaining some of the finer details of the game as there is allot to take in with this game. One other thing to remember with the AI setting lineups is that it will be based off AI evaluation criteria so changing that will change how the AI sets up your lineups. Also from the manual Notes on these actions: Your staff members will fill out the depth chart based on their own personal strategy preferences. Their opinions might not match your own. Your staff will fill out the lineup based on your depth chart settings. If your depth charts are not complete, your staff members will use their personal strategy preferences to complete the task. Also, when you ask your managers to set up your organization, they might place injured players in the lineup. The reason for this is that the manager gives you the best lineup chosen from among all the players on your roster, regardless of their injury status. Then, when a game is auto-simmed, the game makes the decision about how to substitute for injured players. This prevents you from having to remember to redo your lineups every time a player returns from an injury. With the current model, the game will put the injured player back in the lineup as soon as he becomes available again. Of course, if you don't want to rely on these decisions, you can manually adjust your lineup and depth charts to account for injuries. If a player goes out of the lineup due to injury, and a game is auto-played, the AI might rearrange your lineup as it sees fit. For example, if your #4 hitter goes down and gets replaced with a weaker backup hitter, the AI might decide to bat the replacement in the #8 spot and move the other players up. so some things to keep in mind when letting the AI set your lineups. I tend to get them to set it then change it as i see fit that way i can get past Ichiro batting 3rd for example.

10-06-2011, 12:26 PM	#10
Clarke Bat Boy Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 12	Yes, very good information as it pertains to my original concerns. I can use this knowledge to reign in and work with Mr. Frisch from here on. At least I think I can. Thanks a lot guys.