FYI-In-App Purchases

[I23ryno]

I saw this question in a forum, but could not find it again. Here below is the answer from Apple's "Terms and Conditions." Thus you have to pay twice for in app purchases for multiple device.

Palli, I would rather pay $15 or $20 , etc. for IOOTP instead of $4.99 just so I can have all the season on my Iphone and Ipad at the same time...Just thought and hope for future editions.

IN-APP PURCHASES
Certain App Store Products may include functionality that enables you to purchase additional services, or licenses to additional functionality or content for use within the App Store Product ("In App Purchases"). In App Purchases that are consumed during the use of the App Store Product (for example, virtual ammunition) cannot be transferred among devices; can be downloaded only once; and after being downloaded, cannot be replaced. Once a consumable In App Purchase is purchased and received by you, Apple shall be without liability to you in the event of any loss, destruction, or damage. All In App Purchases are deemed App Store Products, and In App Purchases made within Third-Party Products are deemed Third-Party Products, and treated as such, for purposes of these terms and conditions.
In-App Purchases must be authenticated separately from authentication to purchase and download App Store Products by entering your password when prompted, but once you have authenticated In-App Purchases, you will be able to make additional In-App Purchases for fifteen minutes without re-entering your password. You can turn off the ability to make In-App Purchases on your iOS Device by following the steps outlined at iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch: Understanding Restrictions.

[revcarte]

I totally disagree. I like paying 4.99 for the game and then picking the historical seasons that I want for .99 each. It is much cheaper for me and more appealing to a broader audience. The one thing I wish was different is that I wish that a historical season included the stats for THAT season instead of the season prior. For example, I wish 1968 was really the 1968 stats and not the season before. I enjoy playing the game but will personally never get used to that aspect of the game.

[Walsh06]

thats a bad idea. there are people who dont care about the classic seasons (like me) and wont pay €20 for the game then. it seems fine the way it is.

[revcarte]

by the way...you do not have to pay twice for an in app purchase. I bought 1968 for my iphone and then bought it again for the IPad. The second time I received a message that I had already bought it...do you want to download it again for free?? I said yes. So please be assured that you do not pay twice to put a season on more than one device. I believe you can put it on up to 4 devices, though it may be 5 or 6.

[Sebastian Palkowski]

I think it should work, buying a season on one device and "re-buying" it on a second device as long as it is the same Apple-Id. It will be the same when you (for whatever reasons) make a clean install of iOOTP sometimes, after that you can get your bought seasons by "re-buying" them. In both cases you will not be charged again by Apple (The text is something like "You already bought the item, it will be downloaded again", after that you have the season available again).

Just as an information:

I will be on a trip to Berlin tomorrow, so I will not be available on the board until Tuesday!

[revcarte]

Yes...you only pay once for a purchase if you use the same Apple ID. I did this with the game itself and with the additional seasons. I clicked on "buy" and then got the message that I had already paid for that season....click "okay" to download it again for free. You do not have to pay twice.

[GlennN]

I play mostly fictional, so I am glad the game does not charge more just to have more historical seasons. I like how they did this.

[tanda]

Rev,

The players are not rated on the immediate prior year's stats. They are rated on their abilities at the beginning of the season. My understanding is that for the '68 season, for example, the players' ability is estimated based on '68, '67, '66 and maybe '65 stats with reduced weight for less recent seasons.

A game based solely on the stats for the year in question assumes, wrongly, that a player's season's stats accurately represent his abilities. That is how Stratomatic and other games are structured.

Other games, such as OOTP attempt to rate on their real ability level. For example, I am a big Norm Cash fan, but he was never a legitimate .361 41 HR guy. Strat attempts to model so that a 1961 as played replay will generate those numbers. OOTP gives him some credit for that ability level since it is one of the years that his ratings are based upon, but it does not assume that season establishes that as a real ability level. If it was his real ability level, he would repeat it in the other years on which his rating is based and he would play at that level. Nonetheless, since the 61 season weighs most heavy in the 61 season ratings, Cash should have his best year in 61, but possibly not as good as in real life.

[tanda]

I just tested by buying one season on iPad after buying all seasons, via bundles, on iPhone. I was charged .99 cents plus tax.

Update: Ok, when I downloaded via bundle, same as original purchase, it was free. So, you need to download the season in same form, single season or bundle, as first purchase.

[I23ryno]

Thanks for the clarification, Palli and others. That worked! So current model is fabulous!

[revcarte]

Originally Posted by tanda

Rev,

The players are not rated on the immediate prior year's stats. They are rated on their abilities at the beginning of the season. My understanding is that for the '68 season, for example, the players' ability is estimated based on '68, '67, '66 and maybe '65 stats with reduced weight for less recent seasons.

A game based solely on the stats for the year in question assumes, wrongly, that a player's season's stats accurately represent his abilities. That is how Stratomatic and other games are structured.

Other games, such as OOTP attempt to rate on their real ability level. For example, I am a big Norm Cash fan, but he was never a legitimate .361 41 HR guy. Strat attempts to model so that a 1961 as played replay will generate those numbers. OOTP gives him some credit for that ability level since it is one of the years that his ratings are based upon, but it does not assume that season establishes that as a real ability level. If it was his real ability level, he would repeat it in the other years on which his rating is based and he would play at that level. Nonetheless, since the 61 season weighs most heavy in the 61 season ratings, Cash should have his best year in 61, but possibly not as good as in real life.

I appreciate your explanation and your position on this....however I prefer to play 1968 or 1976 based on that season's stats and not on a 3 or 4 year average. Actually, I hate that aspect of this game. That is the main reason why I would never switch from Diamond Mind or Strat on my personal computers to OOTP. I will use IOOTP on the Iphone and IPad because there is no alternative.
Also.....I am playing 1969 right now and at first glance I believe that the Washington Senator players are vastly over-rated. I have not had time to do a scientific study of their IOOTP ratings compared to their previous stats but I am convinced that their ratings are completely wrong. Based on what I have seen in IOOTP the Senators should have won 100 games in 1968 and been champions. I mean it is ridiculous. I know that the facts are that the 68 Senators were full of guys who hit under .200 and very few stolen bases. If you get a chance check out the stats of some of the 69 Senators.
Thanks again for your explanation but I hope you will understand why I hate this aspect of the game.

[Sebastian Palkowski]

Please see my post here:

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...99-post11.html

Originally Posted by revcarte

I appreciate your explanation and your position on this....however I prefer to play 1968 or 1976 based on that season's stats and not on a 3 or 4 year average. Actually, I hate that aspect of this game. That is the main reason why I would never switch from Diamond Mind or Strat on my personal computers to OOTP. I will use IOOTP on the Iphone and IPad because there is no alternative.
Also.....I am playing 1969 right now and at first glance I believe that the Washington Senator players are vastly over-rated. I have not had time to do a scientific study of their IOOTP ratings compared to their previous stats but I am convinced that their ratings are completely wrong. Based on what I have seen in IOOTP the Senators should have won 100 games in 1968 and been champions. I mean it is ridiculous. I know that the facts are that the 68 Senators were full of guys who hit under .200 and very few stolen bases. If you get a chance check out the stats of some of the 69 Senators.
Thanks again for your explanation but I hope you will understand why I hate this aspect of the game.

[Sebastian Palkowski]

Originally Posted by tanda

I just tested by buying one season on iPad after buying all seasons, via bundles, on iPhone. I was charged .99 cents plus tax.

Update: Ok, when I downloaded via bundle, same as original purchase, it was free. So, you need to download the season in same form, single season or bundle, as first purchase.

Yeah, you have to be careful. Sadly, nothing we can do about it (it got me the first time when I tested the in-app purchase stuff).

Please take in mind it will be the same when you make a clean install of iOOTP on your device. You can get your previously purchased seasons back without paying again!

[tanda]

No problem, that is why I tested with a 99 cent purchase