How to rid my team of atrocious contracts?

Metsman · 07-10-2011, 02:25 AM

How do you guys go about it? I'm talking about really bad ones 18million plus per season for minimal production.

awick · 07-10-2011, 02:33 AM

I don't get rid of them, I live with them. They're contracts.

Metsman · 07-10-2011, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by awick

I don't get rid of them, I live with them. They're contracts.

I'm not complaining, I am just looking for solutions. The contracts I want to move are both not mine. Jason Bay who hit .170 last year and Johan Santana who pitched to a 4.60 ERA. They are making a combined 42 million next year. I put Bay on waivers, hopefully someone will claim him.

awick · 07-10-2011, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Metsman

I'm not complaining, I am just looking for solutions. The contracts I want to move are both not mine. Jason Bay who hit .170 last year and Johan Santana who pitched to a 4.60 ERA. They are making a combined 42 million next year. I put Bay on waivers, hopefully someone will claim him.

I guess I don't understand something here. Neither player is yours and yet you put Bay on waivers hoping he'll get claimed. If that happens, his contract will (a) still exist and (b) a new team, presumably still not yours, will be obligated to pay it. Doesn't that leave your initial state unchanged?

Do you want the contracts and their obligations to move to another club? If so, you can go into commissioner mode and force any trade you want and send Bay to any other team you choose.

Or do you want the contracts and their obligations to be something other than what they are? If this is the case, you can (as commissioner) edit the player's contract any way you want. Or you can choose to edit the player to be worthy of whatever contract he has.

Commo_Soldier · 07-10-2011, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by awick

I guess I don't understand something here. Neither player is yours and yet you put Bay on waivers hoping he'll get claimed. If that happens, his contract will (a) still exist and (b) a new team, presumably still not yours, will be obligated to pay it. Doesn't that leave your initial state unchanged?

Do you want the contracts and their obligations to move to another club? If so, you can go into commissioner mode and force any trade you want and send Bay to any other team you choose.

Or do you want the contracts and their obligations to be something other than what they are? If this is the case, you can (as commissioner) edit the player's contract any way you want. Or you can choose to edit the player to be worthy of whatever contract he has.

I believe the OP is stating he inherited the contracts, hence they are not his. So he is wanting to get rid of the players and free up the money for other players.

The only thing I can think of is offering them and a prospect for a lesser contract.

cblacker · 07-10-2011, 03:50 AM

Contact the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim. I hear they like taking bad contracts off of people's hands. They may even give you a decent player in return.

Metsman · 07-10-2011, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by cblacker

Contact the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim. I hear they like taking bad contracts off of people's hands. They may even give you a decent player in return.

That is a good idea lol, they'd probably love to take both of them.

MizzouRah · 07-10-2011, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Metsman

I'm not complaining, I am just looking for solutions. The contracts I want to move are both not mine. Jason Bay who hit .170 last year and Johan Santana who pitched to a 4.60 ERA. They are making a combined 42 million next year. I put Bay on waivers, hopefully someone will claim him.

Oh Jason Bay.. I drafted him when I started my league with ootp11, I could never get anyone to bite on him and finally his contract expired and it felt like a big weight was lifted off my team.

He retired in 2014...

sosasoser · 07-10-2011, 11:58 AM

I'm not sure if this will work in ootp12, but it did in the last couple of versions. If you can't get another team to trade for the player for the bad contract, waive and DFA the guy. Send him down to the minors. There is a good chance that some other team will claim him in the Rule 5 draft.

I discovered that by accident a couple of years ago. It's completely unrealistic, but it works or it used to.

LCS213 · 07-10-2011, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Metsman

How do you guys go about it? I'm talking about really bad ones 18million plus per season for minimal production.

I'm having the same problem. Here's some of the discussion from my post a few days earlier:

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...inancials.html

AirmenSmith · 07-10-2011, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Metsman

How do you guys go about it? I'm talking about really bad ones 18million plus per season for minimal production.

Throw in prospects to make him more marketable. Also you will have to trade for a bad contract but maybe less years.

BMD · 07-10-2011, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Metsman

How do you guys go about it? I'm talking about really bad ones 18million plus per season for minimal production.

Cool, first Curt Schilling and now Sandy Alderson. Good luck, Sandy!

Reggie · 07-10-2011, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by AirmenSmith

Throw in prospects to make him more marketable. Also you will have to trade for a bad contract but maybe less years.

I do this a lot.. I check the Trading block first and if I don't find anyone I just do random searches on all the teams. I look for someone that is WAY over payed that only has a year left on their contract and trade my over paid multiple year player. Sometimes the guy I pick up is paid more..but I get out of his contract at the end of the year.

Le Grande Orange · 07-10-2011, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Metsman

I'm not complaining, I am just looking for solutions. The contracts I want to move are both not mine. Jason Bay who hit .170 last year and Johan Santana who pitched to a 4.60 ERA. They are making a combined 42 million next year. I put Bay on waivers, hopefully someone will claim him.

If you're really desperate to get rid of them, you could try the approach the Blue Jays took with Alex Rios: put them on waivers and hope some other club(s) claim them.

hefalumps · 07-11-2011, 12:28 PM

Here's one strategy I use.

In my league I do revenue sharing (a percentage of team income) and I also have a cash max. I'll do some rough number crunching just before I proceed to the offseason.

If my team's balance for the season is well over what I think they will be keeping after the revenue sharing and next season's cash max gets instituted, I will sometimes release a player just before I advance to the offseason. If it's money I would've lost anyway (either to revenue sharing or to the cash max), I might as well let it do something useful instead of having it just vanish into thin air.

I've only done this a couple of times, as usually it's only a few million that I'll be losing due to revenue sharing/cash max. And I also haven't tried this strategy yet with OOTP12.

But assuming it works, and assuming you have revenue sharing or cash max turned on, it might be worth trying. Just make sure you back up your league before you advance to the offseason in case the numbers don't work out the way you expected.

MattT516 · 07-11-2011, 01:00 PM

From what I've usually seen in several scenarios with the Mets, Bay is a first-class dud after 2011 but Santana is fairly useful over the course of that massive contract. At the minimum, he's a decent #3 starter and the Mets have the payroll flexibility to have a $22 million contract on the books. Always dump Bay in the first year if you can, though.

GrantDawg · 07-11-2011, 01:05 PM

Nice tip, Hefa. Got to remember that.

Doctor Robert · 07-14-2011, 04:09 AM

Sometimes I will use the editor in commish mode to lower the salary of an albatross while editing some 27 year old in rookie ball to have a contract with all the obligations i took away from the albatross.

then it is easier trade the former albatross. it's the same as if in real life when you agree to pay part or all of their future salaries when you trade them.

ms2002 · 07-14-2011, 04:20 AM

Usually I will bench the player or try to send them to the minors. I don't like them upsetting the vibe on the major league roster if they're not producing.

In OOTP, I think it's a little too easy to trade away terrible contracts. All you have to do is offer a decent player to a team with some payroll flexibility and then add the terrible contract in addition. The team will likely accept.

cblacker · 07-14-2011, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ms2002

In OOTP, I think it's a little too easy to trade away terrible contracts. All you have to do is offer a decent player to a team with some payroll flexibility and then add the terrible contract in addition. The team will likely accept.

If you ask Alex Anthopoulos, he'll tell you it's pretty easy in real life, too. You're probably right about bad contracts being too easy to get rid of in the game, but sometimes it's easy to forget that bad trades happen in real life, too. It would also depend on your trade difficulty settings.

07-10-2011, 02:25 AM	#1
Metsman Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 26	How to rid my team of atrocious contracts? How do you guys go about it? I'm talking about really bad ones 18million plus per season for minimal production.

07-10-2011, 02:33 AM	#2
awick Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Lansing, NY Posts: 313	I don't get rid of them, I live with them. They're contracts.

07-10-2011, 03:50 AM	#6
cblacker Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 324	Contact the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim. I hear they like taking bad contracts off of people's hands. They may even give you a decent player in return.

07-10-2011, 11:58 AM	#9
sosasoser Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 30	I'm not sure if this will work in ootp12, but it did in the last couple of versions. If you can't get another team to trade for the player for the bad contract, waive and DFA the guy. Send him down to the minors. There is a good chance that some other team will claim him in the Rule 5 draft. I discovered that by accident a couple of years ago. It's completely unrealistic, but it works or it used to.

07-11-2011, 12:28 PM	#15
hefalumps All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,379	Here's one strategy I use. In my league I do revenue sharing (a percentage of team income) and I also have a cash max. I'll do some rough number crunching just before I proceed to the offseason. If my team's balance for the season is well over what I think they will be keeping after the revenue sharing and next season's cash max gets instituted, I will sometimes release a player just before I advance to the offseason. If it's money I would've lost anyway (either to revenue sharing or to the cash max), I might as well let it do something useful instead of having it just vanish into thin air. I've only done this a couple of times, as usually it's only a few million that I'll be losing due to revenue sharing/cash max. And I also haven't tried this strategy yet with OOTP12. But assuming it works, and assuming you have revenue sharing or cash max turned on, it might be worth trying. Just make sure you back up your league before you advance to the offseason in case the numbers don't work out the way you expected.

07-11-2011, 01:00 PM	#16
MattT516 Bat Boy Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 17	From what I've usually seen in several scenarios with the Mets, Bay is a first-class dud after 2011 but Santana is fairly useful over the course of that massive contract. At the minimum, he's a decent #3 starter and the Mets have the payroll flexibility to have a $22 million contract on the books. Always dump Bay in the first year if you can, though.

07-11-2011, 01:05 PM	#17
GrantDawg All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Covington, Ga. Posts: 519	Nice tip, Hefa. Got to remember that.

07-14-2011, 04:09 AM	#18
Doctor Robert Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 24	Sometimes I will use the editor in commish mode to lower the salary of an albatross while editing some 27 year old in rookie ball to have a contract with all the obligations i took away from the albatross. then it is easier trade the former albatross. it's the same as if in real life when you agree to pay part or all of their future salaries when you trade them.

07-14-2011, 04:20 AM	#19
ms2002 All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,488	Usually I will bench the player or try to send them to the minors. I don't like them upsetting the vibe on the major league roster if they're not producing. In OOTP, I think it's a little too easy to trade away terrible contracts. All you have to do is offer a decent player to a team with some payroll flexibility and then add the terrible contract in addition. The team will likely accept.