Sim 20 years then erase history?

Djanvk · 07-03-2011, 03:53 AM

I get the sim 20 years or so to set up a league history for a new league but what I don't get is the guys who sim 20 years and then delete the history and sim another 20 years and keep that history, what's the point of that?

ukhotstove · 07-03-2011, 07:06 AM

What some people find is that the players in your first draft/season are inflated and don't represent the players you'll see in future drafts.

ukhotstove · 07-03-2011, 07:10 AM

ps

Personally what I like to do is sim 10 years then delete the history and such, then I draft for all teams so none of the teams say have 3 quality 1B and no SS. Then I sim another 5 years and take over a team that's got the worse record.

The Wolf · 07-03-2011, 10:32 AM

Sounds way too much like work.

beorn · 07-03-2011, 10:38 AM

Very, very little work involved. Really, just a matter of patience to let the sim run, hit a button, and then let the sim run again.

And in my experience, it makes an enormous difference in the quality of league that you get.

GMLoophole · 07-03-2011, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by beorn

Very, very little work involved. Really, just a matter of patience to let the sim run, hit a button, and then let the sim run again.

And in my experience, it makes an enormous difference in the quality of league that you get.

Since this has turned into a reasonable discussion, I'll ask here. Why would you not just sim however many years, and play from that point (say, after 5 or 10 years of sims)?

I have been simming through years in hopes of developing a league history, and I wouldn't really want to lose all that history. So I'm curious why so many seem to do just that.

ukhotstove · 07-03-2011, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

Sounds way too much like work.

If you like doing something it isn't work.

Questdog · 07-03-2011, 11:21 AM

We're talking fictional leagues here:

When you first create a league the game fills it with players. These players are not created equal to the players you will get later on from the draft or your feeder leagues. They are mutch better. Especially, there are WAY too many VERY young players who are fully developed superstars.

So, part of the the problem is that if you are playing a league that you plan to keep for a long time, the players of the future have no hope of ever matching the records set by the first batch of players. It's like the players in the initial pool are full of all the steroid players.

I want all my players coming from the same factory for the sake of consistency. So I sim 25 years to get rid of all the original players, delete all their misbegotten history and start from there.....

Garrett67 · 07-03-2011, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Questdog

We're talking fictional leagues here:

When you first create a league the game fills it with players. These players are not created equal to the players you will get later on from the draft or your feeder leagues. They are mutch better. Especially, there are WAY too many VERY young players who are fully developed superstars.

So, part of the the problem is that if you are playing a league that you plan to keep for a long time, the players of the future have no hope of ever matching the records set by the first batch of players. It's like the players in the initial pool are full of all the steroid players.

I want all my players coming from the same factory for the sake of consistency. So I sim 25 years to get rid of all the original players, delete all their misbegotten history and start from there.....

So basically what you're saying is, if you want to play in 2000, start in 1975 and sim?

GMLoophole · 07-03-2011, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Questdog

I want all my players coming from the same factory for the sake of consistency. So I sim 25 years to get rid of all the original players, delete all their misbegotten history and start from there.....

Thanks, I understand now.

This also explains why the first time I tried adding a Japanese independent league to an MLB setup that all the teams immediately traded for blockbuster players from the Japanese league

luger · 07-03-2011, 11:42 AM

I've started keeping the history from the initial group of inflated players but only because I like records that are hard to reach. However, if I see something in the first year or two that seems completely unreachable (75+ homeruns) then I erase history to make sure that doesn't stand as the record.

beorn · 07-03-2011, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Garrett67

So basically what you're saying is, if you want to play in 2000, start in 1975 and sim?

Yes, in my opinion, that is the ideal way to do it. Actually, I sometimes go further. When I was starting out watching baseball, there were about 60 years of modern baseball history, so that is what seems normal to me. So I start 80 years before my target date, wipe out history after 20 years, then let 60 years of history accumulate... But even a few years will do for most people.

One reminder, though, be sure to set up so that salary, strategy, etc. is going to be normal for your target start year. You probably don't want 70s salaries in your 2000 league when you take over.

Garrett67 · 07-03-2011, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by beorn

Yes, in my opinion, that is the ideal way to do it. Actually, I sometimes go further. When I was starting out watching baseball, there were about 60 years of modern baseball history, so that is what seems normal to me. So I start 80 years before my target date, wipe out history after 20 years, then let 60 years of history accumulate... But even a few years will do for most people.

One reminder, though, be sure to set up so that salary, strategy, etc. is going to be normal for your target start year. You probably don't want 70s salaries in your 2000 league when you take over.

I got it.. You want history behind you, just not the first 20 years.

Thanks

Actually, and maybe I'm over thinking this, do you erase EVERYTHING (players, stats,etc?) . I guess what I'm thinking is if you erase 20 years and start over, won't the new players accumulate the same type of history over the next 20 years? What is making these guys different from the first set?

Questdog · 07-03-2011, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Garrett67

I got it.. You want history behind you, just not the first 20 years.

Thanks

Actually, and maybe I'm over thinking this, do you erase EVERYTHING (players, stats,etc?) . I guess what I'm thinking is if you erase 20 years and start over, won't the new players accumulate the same type of history over the next 20 years? What is making these guys different from the first set?

DON'T erase the players, just the history and stats......

Questdog · 07-03-2011, 12:12 PM

Also, when you get to the point you are ready to play and have erased everything, close the game and go to your saved game folder and delete the file retired.dat . The game will create a new one when anyone retires, but there is no reason to clog your computer up with all those old players you don't want.

Garrett67 · 07-03-2011, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Questdog

Also, when you get to the point you are ready to play and have erased everything, close the game and go to your saved game folder and delete the file retired.dat . The game will create a new one when anyone retires, but there is no reason to clog your computer up with all those old players you don't want.

Okay, thanks QD. I will do just that.

jar2574 · 07-06-2011, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Questdog

Also, when you get to the point you are ready to play and have erased everything, close the game and go to your saved game folder and delete the file retired.dat . The game will create a new one when anyone retires, but there is no reason to clog your computer up with all those old players you don't want.

Is there a similar way to delete the "single game records"? Those records seem to stick around even after I delete the entire stat history of a league. Had the same problem in OOTP11.

Questdog · 07-06-2011, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by jar2574

Is there a similar way to delete the "single game records"? Those records seem to stick around even after I delete the entire stat history of a league. Had the same problem in OOTP11.

Bottom right hand of the records screen is a button labeled "Clear Records".

Guess what is does?....

mm7607 · 07-06-2011, 02:32 AM

Couldn't you just delete the top 100 or so players with or all the players under 30?

Questdog · 07-06-2011, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by mm7607

Couldn't you just delete the top 100 or so players with or all the players under 30?

You could do anything you want.....

I like all my players coming from the same place.....

07-03-2011, 03:53 AM	#1
Djanvk Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 63	Sim 20 years then erase history? I get the sim 20 years or so to set up a league history for a new league but what I don't get is the guys who sim 20 years and then delete the history and sim another 20 years and keep that history, what's the point of that?

07-03-2011, 07:06 AM	#2
ukhotstove Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: North of England Gods Country Posts: 7,175	What some people find is that the players in your first draft/season are inflated and don't represent the players you'll see in future drafts. __________________ Detroit Diesel Dynasty San Antonio Calzones of Laredo Dynasty

07-03-2011, 07:10 AM	#3
ukhotstove Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: North of England Gods Country Posts: 7,175	ps Personally what I like to do is sim 10 years then delete the history and such, then I draft for all teams so none of the teams say have 3 quality 1B and no SS. Then I sim another 5 years and take over a team that's got the worse record. __________________ Detroit Diesel Dynasty San Antonio Calzones of Laredo Dynasty

07-03-2011, 10:38 AM	#5
beorn All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: near Rochester, NY Posts: 1,269	Very, very little work involved. Really, just a matter of patience to let the sim run, hit a button, and then let the sim run again. And in my experience, it makes an enormous difference in the quality of league that you get. __________________ Commish of Dog Days Baseball Commish Pennant Chase Baseball League (PCBL) Commish and Blue Jays GM Extra Innings Baseball

07-03-2011, 11:21 AM	#8
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142	We're talking fictional leagues here: When you first create a league the game fills it with players. These players are not created equal to the players you will get later on from the draft or your feeder leagues. They are mutch better. Especially, there are WAY too many VERY young players who are fully developed superstars. So, part of the the problem is that if you are playing a league that you plan to keep for a long time, the players of the future have no hope of ever matching the records set by the first batch of players. It's like the players in the initial pool are full of all the steroid players. I want all my players coming from the same factory for the sake of consistency. So I sim 25 years to get rid of all the original players, delete all their misbegotten history and start from there.....

07-03-2011, 11:42 AM	#11
luger Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 221	I've started keeping the history from the initial group of inflated players but only because I like records that are hard to reach. However, if I see something in the first year or two that seems completely unreachable (75+ homeruns) then I erase history to make sure that doesn't stand as the record.

07-03-2011, 12:12 PM	#15
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142	Also, when you get to the point you are ready to play and have erased everything, close the game and go to your saved game folder and delete the file retired.dat . The game will create a new one when anyone retires, but there is no reason to clog your computer up with all those old players you don't want.

07-06-2011, 02:32 AM	#19
mm7607 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Originally from Fla, now in Ky Posts: 710	Couldn't you just delete the top 100 or so players with or all the players under 30?