Question for those who use the DH

fintach · 06-15-2011, 12:27 PM

I've heard about how the DH position is grayed out in the lineup, so that the DH can't be put in the field. What happens if you insert your pitcher into the lineup?

Cryomaniac · 06-15-2011, 05:53 PM

I'm fairly certain that it wont let you do it, and if you put a relief pitcher in the lineup (as opposed to the pitchers spot) it'll only let you select the non-pitching positions from the drop down.

megamanmatt · 06-15-2011, 10:56 PM

I'll let you know in a minute.

Cyromaniac is correct. If you insert a pitcher into the line up in a DH league it uses them as a pinch runner/hitter or defensive replacement in the field and there is no pitcher selection on the position drop down menus.

Airdrop01 · 06-15-2011, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by fintach

I've heard about how the DH position is grayed out in the lineup, so that the DH can't be put in the field. What happens if you insert your pitcher into the lineup?

Wait: You mean you don't have the option in the game to put your DH at another position? That is crazy for a baseball game of this quality. How hard is it to lose the DH if you do that?

I wish I hadn't read this.

Dr. dru · 06-15-2011, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Airdrop01

Wait: You mean you don't have the option in the game to put your DH at another position? That is crazy for a baseball game of this quality. How hard is it to lose the DH if you do that?

I wish I hadn't read this.

This is why I eliminated the DH rule in my leagues.

megamanmatt · 06-15-2011, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Airdrop01

Wait: You mean you don't have the option in the game to put your DH at another position? That is crazy for a baseball game of this quality. How hard is it to lose the DH if you do that?

I wish I hadn't read this.

The reason you can't is because OOTP's simulation engine just can't handle it right now. It's not due to ignoring a rule or anything like that, it's just that the programming can't do it.

The Wolf · 06-16-2011, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Airdrop01

Wait: You mean you don't have the option in the game to put your DH at another position? That is crazy for a baseball game of this quality. How hard is it to lose the DH if you do that?

I wish I hadn't read this.

What is once seen cannot be unseen.

Yes, this is a major flaw, and it's a really ugly one that should never have existed.

But it does exist, and many of us who know about it hate it.

walt526 · 06-16-2011, 01:04 AM

Actually, there's a weird bug (or at least there was in earlier versions, not sure if its still in v11) where if you are playing out your game and your DH gets hurt, then you can change one of your players already in the game at a position to DH and insert the new player in a defensive position. It made absolutely no sense and I've always played with the personal rule not to take advantage of the opportunity.

I'm 99.9% sure that in MLB, the manager does not have that option if his DH gets hurt (i.e., the pinch runner or pinch hitter simply becomes the DH and if he takes a position then the team loses the DH for the game.

megamanmatt · 06-16-2011, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by walt526

Actually, there's a weird bug (or at least there was in earlier versions, not sure if its still in v11) where if you are playing out your game and your DH gets hurt, then you can change one of your players already in the game at a position to DH and insert the new player in a defensive position. It made absolutely no sense and I've always played with the personal rule not to take advantage of the opportunity.

I'm 99.9% sure that in MLB, the manager does not have that option if his DH gets hurt (i.e., the pinch runner or pinch hitter simply becomes the DH and if he takes a position then the team loses the DH for the game.

I don't think it was a bug, I think it's just another problem where the programming doesn't understand how the rule is supposed to work. To the game it makes sense to anyone with the capacity to think it's totally absurd. Not sure if it's fixed....

fintach · 06-16-2011, 01:50 AM

Ah, well, it was worth a shot.

BusterKing · 06-16-2011, 02:05 AM

Does anyone have the actual RL data on how many times the DH is actually being switched in a season?

megamanmatt · 06-16-2011, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by BusterKing

Does anyone have the actual RL data on how many times the DH is actually being switched in a season?

That's a good question. I just don't want to be the one to go look for it.

Call me lazy.

CBL-Commish · 06-16-2011, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BusterKing

Does anyone have the actual RL data on how many times the DH is actually being switched in a season?

According to the bb-ref play index there were this many instances of a player playing both DH and another position in the same game since 1973:

C: 139
1B: 192
2B: 56
3B: 75
SS: 54
LF: 120
CF: 77
RF: 118
P: 2 (Jose Canseco and Keith Atherton)

That's a total of 833 times, or 22 times a season.

Are there any other things that happen 22 times per MLB season that OOTP doesn't model?

Cryomaniac · 06-16-2011, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by CBL-Commish

Are there any other things that happen 22 times per MLB season that OOTP doesn't model?

Dunno how often it happens in RL, but OOTP doesn't allow for players being thrown out at home trying to score from third on a wild pitch / passed ball.

Dutchy · 06-18-2011, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by megamanmatt

I'll let you know in a minute.

Cyromaniac is correct. If you insert a pitcher into the line up in a DH league it uses them as a pinch runner/hitter or defensive replacement in the field and there is no pitcher selection on the position drop down menus.

If I'm right, this was not a problem in OOTP8. True?

06-15-2011, 12:27 PM	#1
fintach Major Leagues Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 484	Question for those who use the DH I've heard about how the DH position is grayed out in the lineup, so that the DH can't be put in the field. What happens if you insert your pitcher into the lineup? __________________ Currently managing: The Bridgetown Gruffs History: Portland Purple Knights of the USBL: 1x NL Champs 1970-74 Berkeley Free Radicals of the BBL: 4x Division Title, 3x LCS, 2x Left Coast Cup Champions 2011 Portland River Dragons of the SPL: 1x Division Title 2011 Las Vegas Coyotes (MLB): half season before DH bored me to death.

06-15-2011, 05:53 PM	#2
Cryomaniac Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2007 Location: Hucknall, Notts, UK Posts: 4,902	I'm fairly certain that it wont let you do it, and if you put a relief pitcher in the lineup (as opposed to the pitchers spot) it'll only let you select the non-pitching positions from the drop down. __________________

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megamanmatt Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Lakeville, Minnesota Posts: 2,416	I'll let you know in a minute. Cyromaniac is correct. If you insert a pitcher into the line up in a DH league it uses them as a pinch runner/hitter or defensive replacement in the field and there is no pitcher selection on the position drop down menus. __________________ "The Minneapolis Lakers moved to Los Angeles, where there are no lakes; The Oilers moved to Tennessee where there is no oil; the Jazz moved to Salt Lake City where they don't allow music; The Oakland Raiders moved to Los Angeles and then back to Oakland, no one in Los Angeles seemed to notice." Note to self: Princess Kenny was really off-putting. Last edited by megamanmatt; 06-15-2011 at 11:00 PM.

06-16-2011, 01:50 AM	#10
fintach Major Leagues Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 484	Ah, well, it was worth a shot. __________________ Currently managing: The Bridgetown Gruffs History: Portland Purple Knights of the USBL: 1x NL Champs 1970-74 Berkeley Free Radicals of the BBL: 4x Division Title, 3x LCS, 2x Left Coast Cup Champions 2011 Portland River Dragons of the SPL: 1x Division Title 2011 Las Vegas Coyotes (MLB): half season before DH bored me to death.

06-16-2011, 01:04 AM	#8
walt526 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 28	Actually, there's a weird bug (or at least there was in earlier versions, not sure if its still in v11) where if you are playing out your game and your DH gets hurt, then you can change one of your players already in the game at a position to DH and insert the new player in a defensive position. It made absolutely no sense and I've always played with the personal rule not to take advantage of the opportunity. I'm 99.9% sure that in MLB, the manager does not have that option if his DH gets hurt (i.e., the pinch runner or pinch hitter simply becomes the DH and if he takes a position then the team loses the DH for the game.

06-16-2011, 02:05 AM	#11
BusterKing Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,437	Does anyone have the actual RL data on how many times the DH is actually being switched in a season?