Historical Accuracy

[mets]

From a given year perspective ,will individual players come close to their statistics? Right now the game engine averages out stats over a three year period ,I would like to see that disabled I know on a seasonal basis the game comes very close in batting averages, doubles etc .Babe Ruth never hits 60 in 1927 nor does maris 61 in 61 .i know it is impossible to mirror every player and probability comes into play ,but individuals stats seem to be off more than they should

[mike2228]

Originally Posted by mets

From a given year perspective ,will individual players come close to their statistics? Right now the game engine averages out stats over a three year period ,I would like to see that disabled I know on a seasonal basis the game comes very close in batting averages, doubles etc .Babe Ruth never hits 60 in 1927 nor does maris 61 in 61 .i know it is impossible to mirror every player and probability comes into play ,but individuals stats seem to be off more than they should

I can only speak for myself, but I feel that if every player did the same thing they did in real life, it would just be no fun.

[Cooleyvol]

PLEASE don't implement anything even close to this idea. Replays are like watching paint dry. You know the end result. What fun can that possibly be?

[The Real MD]

The OP has a legitimate question, and his answer may reside in the promo material for OOTP 12:

"Historical leagues benefit from improved AI and real life transactions and as-played lineups as optional features. Thanks to OOTP's sophisticated game engine, you'll be able to enjoy the most realistic historical simulation results possible. How would the 1927 Yankees fare against their 1961 counterparts?"

Considering we're talking about specific seasons ("a given year perspective," to quote the OP), individual stats for that season should now satisfy single-season replayers in OOTP 12. Otherwise, why even mention the '27 or '61 Yankees (specific years/teams) unless OOTP's aim is to give us "the most realistic historical simulation results possible" in its next version.

So...according to the promo material, the OP should be extremely happy with OOTP 12 in this regard.

[Le Grande Orange]

Well, this goes to the discussion of what a historical league should be and what it should strive to recreate. There is no one right answer to that, as different users will want different things.

So, really, there are multiple historical league approaches. The question is which such approaches should be implemented in the game...

[Terpripken]

I have been spending a lot of time recently setting up A Shot At Redemption (link in sig), by trying to replicate postseason rosters for 128 teams. It is a long and arduous process, and while there is alot of info available (lineups, rosters, boxscores, etc.), I find it really hard to believe that OOTP12 will contain as played lineups and transactions for EVERY team in history. First of all, there isn't much lineup data pre-1920. Secondly, especially in the past 30 years, lineups changed quite frequently. Thirdly...while transaction info is available on retrosheet and baseball reference, unless some 3rd party is compiling all this data for them, I don't see how they would have the time to include this in a database.

I see that it is an optional feature, so my guess is , some 3rd party is involved. Either way, with some exceptions, it is next to impossible to completely recreate a teams roster "as played" accurately. You could use opening day rosters...but for people who want end of season rostes including big trades this won't work.

I'll reserve judgement until more details are forthcoming, but I only see them including some of the great teams in history, not an entire database.

[pstrickert]

O ye of little faith.

[Charlie Hough]

There is already an option available to play the game in season replay mode. Consult the manual for more information. Try that and see if you like the results.

[Terpripken]

Originally Posted by pstrickert

O ye of little faith.

Hey I hope I'm wrong.

That would be awesome.

[skunkle333]

I already got 2 of my 3 big wishes for v12. Real life transactions/lineups and a 'save game in progress' tool.

My last big wish is that there is a line on the player's stat box during the game that will actually show the stats for the historical year that I am playing.

That would be the icing on the cake for me.

Playing my 59 and 2005 White Sox with Nellie Fox showing his 59 actual stats with a line under that showing his actual replay stats.

Hoping...

[StyxNCa]

Originally Posted by Cooleyvol

PLEASE don't implement anything even close to this idea. Replays are like watching paint dry. You know the end result. What fun can that possibly be?

What point is there in looking at stats from games that have been played. We already know what the players and teams did.

[Cooleyvol]

Originally Posted by StyxNCa

What point is there in looking at stats from games that have been played. We already know what the players and teams did.

You're making my point, Styx.

[Chicagofan76]

Originally Posted by Charlie Hough

There is already an option available to play the game in season replay mode. Consult the manual for more information. Try that and see if you like the results.

With Single Season Replay am I going to come closer to what a team or player did in that year?

Right now I am 5 games into the 1959 Go-Go White Sox season playing single season replay....I just want to play 59 not concerned with playing 1960 and beyond. Manual doesnt give much info for single season replay.

[Chicagofan76]

Originally Posted by skunkle333

I already got 2 of my 3 big wishes for v12. Real life transactions/lineups and a 'save game in progress' tool.

My last big wish is that there is a line on the player's stat box during the game that will actually show the stats for the historical year that I am playing.

That would be the icing on the cake for me.

Playing my 59 and 2005 White Sox with Nellie Fox showing his 59 actual stats with a line under that showing his actual replay stats.

Hoping...

As a fellow Sox fan thats the last thing I want. I dont want Fox to be MVP. I dont want Larry Sherry to be the reason why the Sox lose the '59
Series and be World Series MVP. I want to see if the Sox can win the AL and the series.
I would much rather see someone like Maris or Mantle be MVP. See Johnny Callison and Norm Cash have good seasons so dummy Veeck doesnt trade both after '59. Have Sherm Lollar tank so Johnny Romano or Earl Torgeson takes over at C and doesnt get traded.

Now while someday it might be cool to have a game where it would follow the exact boxscore as is might be cool, thats not what I want with my current '59 replay.

[Biggio509]

Originally Posted by mets

From a given year perspective ,will individual players come close to their statistics? Right now the game engine averages out stats over a three year period ,I would like to see that disabled I know on a seasonal basis the game comes very close in batting averages, doubles etc .Babe Ruth never hits 60 in 1927 nor does maris 61 in 61 .i know it is impossible to mirror every player and probability comes into play ,but individuals stats seem to be off more than they should

Can't you change this to 1 year recalc in OOTP 11 or is that just for fielding. I can't seem to remember at the moment.

[skunkle333]

Originally Posted by Chicagofan76

As a fellow Sox fan thats the last thing I want. I dont want Fox to be MVP. I dont want Larry Sherry to be the reason why the Sox lose the '59
Series and be World Series MVP. I want to see if the Sox can win the AL and the series.
I would much rather see someone like Maris or Mantle be MVP. See Johnny Callison and Norm Cash have good seasons so dummy Veeck doesnt trade both after '59. Have Sherm Lollar tank so Johnny Romano or Earl Torgeson takes over at C and doesnt get traded.

Now while someday it might be cool to have a game where it would follow the exact boxscore as is might be cool, thats not what I want with my current '59 replay.

Looks like you totally misunderstood what I was trying to say. Maybe I wasn't clear. No biggie.

I don't want Nellie or others to have exact replication of their season stats. I just want to be able to 'see' what they did in real life on a line in their stat area so I can see whether they are doing better...worse or whatever in comparison to real life. Plus it would help in making some managerial decisions especially if I'm managing another team.

If I'm replaying the 59 season or the 2005 season or whatever...it would be nice IMO to see what a player ACTUALLY did in real life in the season I am replaying. And to be able to see it on the game screen without having to click on the player to see his various years stats. That's all.

[Chicagofan76]

Ok my bad, yeah I get what your saying. I tend to keep baseball ref open and switch between which ever player and the daily boxscores of 1959.
Right now through 7 games Nellie Fox is batting .125 where as IRL he was hitting .450..I lost Landis already and I traded for Gene Woodling for Bubba Phillips but i lost Woodling for 6 weeks.

[Cornelius McGillicuddy]

I wouldn't want to see into the future. I'd just want his stats up until that time. Previous years and current year to the current date.

[Chicagofan76]

Originally Posted by rich12545

I wouldn't want to see into the future. I'd just want his stats up until that time. Previous years and current year to the current date.

In a Historical replay u have the players career stats..In Single Season Replay you have what they did up to that season.

[ctorg]

Originally Posted by Biggio509

Can't you change this to 1 year recalc in OOTP 11 or is that just for fielding. I can't seem to remember at the moment.

Yes, the 3-year recalc is not set. Switching to 1-year does make for some problems with league totals, but it can be done. You can also double the weight of the current year.